1 00:00:04,999 --> 00:00:01,410 [Music] 2 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:05,009 you're tuned in to night vision radio 3 00:00:11,370 --> 00:00:08,610 exposing the truth one secret at a time 4 00:00:13,860 --> 00:00:11,380 prepare yourself as we explore the 5 00:00:17,670 --> 00:00:13,870 shadow worlds of suppressed history 6 00:00:20,070 --> 00:00:17,680 secret knowledge forbidden religion and 7 00:00:25,130 --> 00:00:20,080 shine a light on the conspiracies to 8 00:01:02,939 --> 00:00:36,250 [Music] 9 00:01:02,949 --> 00:01:09,570 welcome to night-vision radio 10 00:01:15,970 --> 00:01:12,610 hello everybody welcome to night vision 11 00:01:18,370 --> 00:01:15,980 I am your host Renee Barnett so glad 12 00:01:21,010 --> 00:01:18,380 that you could join us tonight I was 13 00:01:23,020 --> 00:01:21,020 just remarking off-air that you know 14 00:01:27,390 --> 00:01:23,030 it's a strange strange time a strange 15 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:27,400 week here in the United States after a 16 00:01:33,700 --> 00:01:30,770 horrifying and bizarre weekend that we 17 00:01:36,490 --> 00:01:33,710 had in Charlottesville Virginia and then 18 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:36,500 of course today you know we're closely 19 00:01:40,810 --> 00:01:38,210 watching all the news out of Barcelona 20 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:40,820 and our hearts are there as well in 21 00:01:47,050 --> 00:01:45,050 Spain with all our friends there so gosh 22 00:01:50,590 --> 00:01:47,060 it's it's hard to shake off those 23 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:50,600 thoughts and and that worry and all the 24 00:01:57,310 --> 00:01:53,330 feelings that are rising up in all of us 25 00:02:02,230 --> 00:01:57,320 but I think that it's good for us to 26 00:02:05,469 --> 00:02:02,240 also take a break from it because we 27 00:02:08,980 --> 00:02:05,479 have to keep strong so sometimes that 28 00:02:11,650 --> 00:02:08,990 entails getting into something that we 29 00:02:14,199 --> 00:02:11,660 enjoy relaxing a little bit and so I'm 30 00:02:17,199 --> 00:02:14,209 really looking forward to tonight's show 31 00:02:19,449 --> 00:02:17,209 this is a brand-new friend of mine I met 32 00:02:22,690 --> 00:02:19,459 him last week as some of you may have 33 00:02:25,090 --> 00:02:22,700 noticed my boss MJ gave me a night off 34 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:25,100 last week and I took advantage of it by 35 00:02:32,890 --> 00:02:27,890 going on a show with some friends of 36 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:32,900 mine out of New York and the other guest 37 00:02:38,640 --> 00:02:35,450 on the line was also was my guest 38 00:02:41,770 --> 00:02:38,650 tonight and I would never met and I 39 00:02:44,710 --> 00:02:41,780 suddenly familiarized myself with all 40 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:44,720 his work subsequent to that show we had 41 00:02:49,420 --> 00:02:46,850 a great conversation on the air and I 42 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:49,430 said you've got to come on my show so he 43 00:02:52,930 --> 00:02:51,410 graciously agreed to come on the very 44 00:02:55,660 --> 00:02:52,940 next week so we could continue our 45 00:02:57,310 --> 00:02:55,670 conversation but I promise you we won't 46 00:03:00,610 --> 00:02:57,320 leave anything out we'll recap because 47 00:03:02,530 --> 00:03:00,620 we we talked a lot about his work at 48 00:03:05,170 --> 00:03:02,540 Rosslyn Chapel and since he's right down 49 00:03:07,750 --> 00:03:05,180 the road he has a lot of access there 50 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:07,760 that many of us don't my guest tonight 51 00:03:13,750 --> 00:03:11,570 is author and researcher Brian J Allen 52 00:03:17,319 --> 00:03:13,760 thank you for joining us from Scotland 53 00:03:18,819 --> 00:03:17,329 Brian hey thank you very much for ask me 54 00:03:20,979 --> 00:03:18,829 along them do they looking forward to 55 00:03:24,220 --> 00:03:20,989 the show well I 56 00:03:26,500 --> 00:03:24,230 I was so fascinated by so much of what 57 00:03:29,920 --> 00:03:26,510 you shared last week on Tim Beckley and 58 00:03:32,860 --> 00:03:29,930 Tim Schwartz's show out of New York I 59 00:03:35,589 --> 00:03:32,870 bet I said oh my goodness there are so 60 00:03:38,559 --> 00:03:35,599 many conversations that we could go to 61 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:38,569 also you know we discovered that we we 62 00:03:43,750 --> 00:03:41,450 have a lot of friends in common and even 63 00:03:46,990 --> 00:03:43,760 since our conversation on the radio show 64 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:47,000 last week I I realized that we have 65 00:03:52,500 --> 00:03:49,370 another friend in common you know my 66 00:03:56,940 --> 00:03:52,510 friend Brian Canard down in in Tennessee 67 00:04:00,190 --> 00:03:56,950 at grave distractions publications yeah 68 00:04:03,399 --> 00:04:00,200 yeah yeah yeah that's right yeah I got 69 00:04:06,009 --> 00:04:03,409 all the but I would call it put a couple 70 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:06,019 of my books up in lane as ebooks yeah 71 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:07,810 yeah that's Brian yeah I remember yeah 72 00:04:15,129 --> 00:04:13,010 yeah known Brian for about ten years and 73 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:15,139 met up with him on a few occasions often 74 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:19,370 at different events and things and he's 75 00:04:24,460 --> 00:04:21,370 actually been on this show before 76 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:24,470 talking about one of his books that he 77 00:04:30,879 --> 00:04:28,090 has written and of course I have friends 78 00:04:34,060 --> 00:04:30,889 including our mutual friend Henry 79 00:04:37,300 --> 00:04:34,070 Lincoln who now is being published by 80 00:04:39,100 --> 00:04:37,310 Brian and great distractions so in 81 00:04:42,540 --> 00:04:39,110 Gloria a module who's been on this show 82 00:04:45,990 --> 00:04:42,550 many times and also Tim Wallace Murphy 83 00:04:48,159 --> 00:04:46,000 all these wonderful authors are are 84 00:04:51,450 --> 00:04:48,169 joining up with Brian so I think that's 85 00:04:54,879 --> 00:04:51,460 really great but I wanted to get into 86 00:04:57,310 --> 00:04:54,889 also the fact that I should mention and 87 00:05:01,089 --> 00:04:57,320 I'll probably get killed if I don't but 88 00:05:04,990 --> 00:05:01,099 you and I also contributed to a book 89 00:05:06,790 --> 00:05:05,000 that's just been put out recently by 90 00:05:11,860 --> 00:05:06,800 hidden treasures of the Knights Templar 91 00:05:14,050 --> 00:05:11,870 by Timothy green Beckley but it also has 92 00:05:16,779 --> 00:05:14,060 other contributors including Brian and 93 00:05:19,390 --> 00:05:16,789 myself and so now I guess I'm published 94 00:05:21,490 --> 00:05:19,400 I've had a few the magazine articles 95 00:05:24,790 --> 00:05:21,500 publishes but I haven't yet contributed 96 00:05:27,909 --> 00:05:24,800 to a book before in this way but anyhow 97 00:05:31,540 --> 00:05:27,919 so I'm in wonderful company and honored 98 00:05:33,580 --> 00:05:31,550 to be so so Brian gush you've just been 99 00:05:34,390 --> 00:05:33,590 let's hear a little bit about your 100 00:05:36,939 --> 00:05:34,400 background for me 101 00:05:39,129 --> 00:05:36,949 started on Roslyn because you're not 102 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:39,139 just a Rosslyn researcher you've got 103 00:05:43,629 --> 00:05:41,810 such a wide background and including 104 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:43,639 being the editor of phenomenon magazine 105 00:05:49,450 --> 00:05:45,530 so that must take you into many many 106 00:05:52,390 --> 00:05:49,460 areas well yes it does well host my 107 00:05:55,749 --> 00:05:52,400 background well I've been at this been 108 00:06:00,340 --> 00:05:55,759 in the paranormal field for decades and 109 00:06:03,580 --> 00:06:00,350 decades and decades I guess I started 110 00:06:05,499 --> 00:06:03,590 off I guess in ufology and I realized 111 00:06:08,110 --> 00:06:05,509 that you followed in the paranormal that 112 00:06:09,850 --> 00:06:08,120 is there's no difference or very little 113 00:06:12,850 --> 00:06:09,860 difference so I drifted into the 114 00:06:15,909 --> 00:06:12,860 paranormal from there but I found at the 115 00:06:18,270 --> 00:06:15,919 - over the years the links are 116 00:06:21,219 --> 00:06:18,280 unmistakable and the extra-terrestrial 117 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:21,229 hypothesis just can't be demonstrated 118 00:06:27,189 --> 00:06:25,010 but the problem is that the reality of 119 00:06:29,350 --> 00:06:27,199 other dimensions existing alongside 120 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:29,360 their own other realities and the fact 121 00:06:33,610 --> 00:06:31,610 that these things I think originate here 122 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:33,620 rather than somewhere that far off star 123 00:06:38,890 --> 00:06:36,650 or star system and I'm pretty sure that 124 00:06:41,830 --> 00:06:38,900 these things originate and other 125 00:06:43,510 --> 00:06:41,840 dimensions and they're no effect there 126 00:06:46,659 --> 00:06:43,520 is no difference between an angel and an 127 00:06:49,510 --> 00:06:46,669 alien or a demon for that matter so yeah 128 00:06:52,290 --> 00:06:49,520 I guess that's what got me into it but I 129 00:06:54,879 --> 00:06:52,300 started writing around 10 years ago 130 00:06:57,550 --> 00:06:54,889 10-15 years ago started writing blog my 131 00:06:59,290 --> 00:06:57,560 first book oh and I've been producing of 132 00:07:03,370 --> 00:06:59,300 them pretty steadily ever since so I'm 133 00:07:05,260 --> 00:07:03,380 one of about 12 or 13 spoke now yeah 134 00:07:07,210 --> 00:07:05,270 that is and they're currently just been 135 00:07:09,219 --> 00:07:07,220 their Swiss the publisher right now and 136 00:07:10,930 --> 00:07:09,229 just waiting for it to get there go 137 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:10,940 ahead we'll bring that one oh that 138 00:07:14,439 --> 00:07:12,530 wasn't the nude the latest book is 139 00:07:15,879 --> 00:07:14,449 actually called the phenomena project 140 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:15,889 and the boo can talk about a little 141 00:07:20,710 --> 00:07:19,610 later oh oh yeah we must we must yeah 142 00:07:22,810 --> 00:07:20,720 I'm gonna have to come over and take 143 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:22,820 some writing classes for you I think my 144 00:07:28,270 --> 00:07:25,130 problem is lack of focus and 145 00:07:30,969 --> 00:07:28,280 concentration I think that's my big 146 00:07:33,879 --> 00:07:30,979 problem and taking on a project like a 147 00:07:37,060 --> 00:07:33,889 book but and also I don't really 148 00:07:38,710 --> 00:07:37,070 consider myself necessarily expert in 149 00:07:42,010 --> 00:07:38,720 any of these fields but you've done a 150 00:07:45,279 --> 00:07:42,020 lot of research in your particular areas 151 00:07:47,830 --> 00:07:45,289 and through your work as a journalist as 152 00:07:48,150 --> 00:07:47,840 well but you said you started out and 153 00:07:50,730 --> 00:07:48,160 then 154 00:07:52,890 --> 00:07:50,740 you moved into the paranormal now why 155 00:07:55,620 --> 00:07:52,900 did you move into the paranormal was 156 00:07:58,500 --> 00:07:55,630 that due to some kind of experience that 157 00:08:02,040 --> 00:07:58,510 you had or was that just part of your 158 00:08:03,660 --> 00:08:02,050 research well I guess it was the fact 159 00:08:08,690 --> 00:08:03,670 that there were so many similarities 160 00:08:11,190 --> 00:08:08,700 between manifestations of ufology and 161 00:08:12,590 --> 00:08:11,200 the way that the entities that exist 162 00:08:15,180 --> 00:08:12,600 within the world of the paranormal 163 00:08:17,310 --> 00:08:15,190 operate that I came to the conclusion 164 00:08:19,380 --> 00:08:17,320 that there was very little if any 165 00:08:21,510 --> 00:08:19,390 difference between the two of them the 166 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:21,520 phoned at this point of view doesn't go 167 00:08:25,130 --> 00:08:23,530 down very well with with died in the 168 00:08:26,870 --> 00:08:25,140 fool dyed-in-the-wool 169 00:08:30,450 --> 00:08:26,880 believers in the extra-terrestrial 170 00:08:32,580 --> 00:08:30,460 hypothesis because III guess they're 171 00:08:34,770 --> 00:08:32,590 kind of linked up and I think that's a 172 00:08:37,770 --> 00:08:34,780 great shame because if they just open 173 00:08:39,959 --> 00:08:37,780 the that the worldview a little bit that 174 00:08:43,250 --> 00:08:39,969 I guess that see the similarities are 175 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:43,260 unmistakably there because you know I 176 00:08:49,890 --> 00:08:45,730 try to keep an open mind and all this 177 00:08:52,170 --> 00:08:49,900 but sometimes having an open mind is not 178 00:08:56,810 --> 00:08:52,180 an advantage when you get into this into 179 00:09:01,130 --> 00:08:56,820 this field which is sad right 180 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:01,140 you know I agree with you and in even 181 00:09:07,410 --> 00:09:03,730 science you know even you know 182 00:09:10,110 --> 00:09:07,420 traditional science is now beginning 183 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:10,120 I've heard scientists you know talking 184 00:09:15,650 --> 00:09:12,130 about the ideas of you know other 185 00:09:18,750 --> 00:09:15,660 dimensions and parallel dimensions it's 186 00:09:22,490 --> 00:09:18,760 you know it seems to me it makes a lot 187 00:09:25,370 --> 00:09:22,500 more sense in some of these places that 188 00:09:28,290 --> 00:09:25,380 you and I have talked about before 189 00:09:31,380 --> 00:09:28,300 places like Rosslyn and in like the 190 00:09:34,410 --> 00:09:31,390 skinwalker ranch and oh yeah even Ren Li 191 00:09:38,730 --> 00:09:34,420 Chateau where you know there does seem 192 00:09:42,300 --> 00:09:38,740 to be some scientific basis for some 193 00:09:44,790 --> 00:09:42,310 kind of phenomena that's going on that 194 00:09:49,110 --> 00:09:44,800 you know I don't believe like you is 195 00:09:51,540 --> 00:09:49,120 necessarily extraterrestrial oh no yes I 196 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:51,550 think it actually right and the more I 197 00:09:57,390 --> 00:09:54,730 look at me the more I look at this the 198 00:10:01,500 --> 00:09:57,400 more similarities I see but the fact of 199 00:10:01,980 --> 00:10:01,510 edit and phenomena magazine but me it 200 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:01,990 has 201 00:10:05,670 --> 00:10:04,330 it introduces me to all sorts of strains 202 00:10:07,710 --> 00:10:05,680 of thought from all over the world 203 00:10:08,940 --> 00:10:07,720 because I get a file of stuff sent in 204 00:10:11,250 --> 00:10:08,950 you know for approval 205 00:10:13,110 --> 00:10:11,260 wouldwould witness no magazine but be 206 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:13,120 interested in stuff and some of these 207 00:10:17,940 --> 00:10:15,730 ideas are fascinating and you know and 208 00:10:20,639 --> 00:10:17,950 I'd say yeah why not yeah well we'll 209 00:10:22,710 --> 00:10:20,649 print ad up and print it but some of the 210 00:10:25,290 --> 00:10:22,720 stuff is really really way out there and 211 00:10:30,060 --> 00:10:25,300 they're you know it's probably better 212 00:10:31,829 --> 00:10:30,070 left winners but it does the fact that a 213 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:31,839 magazine and that do any course of 214 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:33,010 research for the books 215 00:10:38,519 --> 00:10:36,490 it does it does help to keep an open 216 00:10:41,130 --> 00:10:38,529 mind on the subject and I've learned an 217 00:10:43,829 --> 00:10:41,140 awful lot that I mean I know I know I'm 218 00:10:45,329 --> 00:10:43,839 convinced for example that this life 219 00:10:48,780 --> 00:10:45,339 that were livid know is just a stupid 220 00:10:50,730 --> 00:10:48,790 point another one and there is no doubt 221 00:10:53,699 --> 00:10:50,740 that we just passed another reality when 222 00:10:56,490 --> 00:10:53,709 we die so in many ways death holds no 223 00:10:58,110 --> 00:10:56,500 fear for many more it's because all I 224 00:10:59,880 --> 00:10:58,120 know it's just it's just it's just a 225 00:11:04,260 --> 00:10:59,890 stopping point it's just a Waystation or 226 00:11:06,449 --> 00:11:04,270 not on the dummy you know right and how 227 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:06,459 have you satisfied yourself that that is 228 00:11:15,530 --> 00:11:11,290 indeed the case well this is gonna sound 229 00:11:19,139 --> 00:11:15,540 a bit crazy but I've held conversations 230 00:11:22,230 --> 00:11:19,149 with entities that live there or purport 231 00:11:25,260 --> 00:11:22,240 to live there and and I've come across 232 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:25,270 the same concept and not just a moan 233 00:11:29,639 --> 00:11:27,730 experiences but and then the experience 234 00:11:32,370 --> 00:11:29,649 of innumerable people across the globe 235 00:11:34,860 --> 00:11:32,380 and I guess we can't all be wrong so I 236 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:34,870 think we're pretty much well are in 237 00:11:39,389 --> 00:11:36,850 contact for something and they're all 238 00:11:42,420 --> 00:11:39,399 seems to be pretty you know cohesive 239 00:11:45,750 --> 00:11:42,430 that all the stories seem to be the same 240 00:11:48,170 --> 00:11:45,760 or very very similar so like I say I'll 241 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:48,180 just I just wait to see what's coming 242 00:11:56,340 --> 00:11:53,050 right right now if we could you know go 243 00:11:58,199 --> 00:11:56,350 to rock Iceland now you're there in 244 00:12:01,860 --> 00:11:58,209 Scotland so I would imagine you've been 245 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:01,870 there lots of times and only done lots 246 00:12:09,030 --> 00:12:05,410 of extensive research there and we 247 00:12:10,980 --> 00:12:09,040 talked about last week and you know so 248 00:12:16,300 --> 00:12:10,990 we'll go over that again for these 249 00:12:20,560 --> 00:12:16,310 listeners about the resonance in Rosslyn 250 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:20,570 and those musical cubes that are there 251 00:12:26,019 --> 00:12:22,850 and you've sort of been working with 252 00:12:30,340 --> 00:12:26,029 with residents there and you also said 253 00:12:31,870 --> 00:12:30,350 that you felt like or maybe you didn't 254 00:12:36,610 --> 00:12:31,880 just feel like but that there is a 255 00:12:38,380 --> 00:12:36,620 portal at Rosslyn oh yeah our monthly 256 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:38,390 convinced there's a portal in Rosslyn 257 00:12:43,750 --> 00:12:40,250 Chapel it sits in what is called the 258 00:12:45,790 --> 00:12:43,760 Lady Chapel it's right in front or maybe 259 00:12:50,050 --> 00:12:45,800 it's part of the the Saint Matthew 260 00:12:52,030 --> 00:12:50,060 author because they can ask you first 261 00:12:55,449 --> 00:12:52,040 Randy have you been in Rosslyn Chapel I 262 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:55,459 have not I I almost made it there one 263 00:13:01,030 --> 00:12:57,170 time and I didn't quite make it that far 264 00:13:03,750 --> 00:13:01,040 north in the UK but no I have not been 265 00:13:06,660 --> 00:13:03,760 there looked at many many pictures and 266 00:13:09,940 --> 00:13:06,670 you know spoken with lots of people 267 00:13:12,699 --> 00:13:09,950 connected with Rosslyn Chapel but no I 268 00:13:15,009 --> 00:13:12,709 haven't had the experience myself so 269 00:13:17,019 --> 00:13:15,019 well okay it's just that when you're 270 00:13:20,470 --> 00:13:17,029 good in the chapel the East End of the 271 00:13:23,110 --> 00:13:20,480 chapel okay there are there are a series 272 00:13:25,180 --> 00:13:23,120 of altars that those three altars in the 273 00:13:26,740 --> 00:13:25,190 Lady Chapel then there's a fourth altar 274 00:13:29,590 --> 00:13:26,750 which is quite appropriately called the 275 00:13:31,449 --> 00:13:29,600 high altar because as a pie which is in 276 00:13:34,630 --> 00:13:31,459 fact above the stairway good down into 277 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:34,640 the Crypt and listen Matthew author is 278 00:13:40,810 --> 00:13:36,890 at the left hand side of the Lady Chapel 279 00:13:42,910 --> 00:13:40,820 as you face it and it it's nothing it's 280 00:13:45,030 --> 00:13:42,920 not a huge big fancy altar but I guess 281 00:13:47,710 --> 00:13:45,040 it's about chest height maybe about 282 00:13:50,769 --> 00:13:47,720 maybe about five foot four foot four 283 00:13:52,690 --> 00:13:50,779 foot six high and a four foot wide with 284 00:13:54,579 --> 00:13:52,700 a little lintel on top of it and there's 285 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:54,589 the in grilled cross of the over of the 286 00:13:59,590 --> 00:13:57,290 single family which is is it carved upon 287 00:14:01,389 --> 00:13:59,600 it and that is a said Matthew author and 288 00:14:05,220 --> 00:14:01,399 that is where I am convinced that there 289 00:14:07,510 --> 00:14:05,230 is a portal and I say that because I 290 00:14:10,180 --> 00:14:07,520 would physically that this was 291 00:14:12,009 --> 00:14:10,190 maintained maintained it was the first 292 00:14:14,230 --> 00:14:12,019 day would conducted anything like a 293 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:14,240 full-scale investigation into the 294 00:14:18,340 --> 00:14:16,010 chaplain and as you till the list knows 295 00:14:20,199 --> 00:14:18,350 that this is not a thing that's done at 296 00:14:23,259 --> 00:14:20,209 all my people aren't alone in the chapel 297 00:14:24,910 --> 00:14:23,269 to do this kind of thing there was there 298 00:14:27,010 --> 00:14:24,920 was too many people filming up and then 299 00:14:29,110 --> 00:14:27,020 doing also so weird stuff in here and 300 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:29,120 and the trustees the chapel just all 301 00:14:31,630 --> 00:14:29,690 just 302 00:14:33,340 --> 00:14:31,640 wanted to happen and as it was we had to 303 00:14:35,860 --> 00:14:33,350 get special permission to do this anyway 304 00:14:37,630 --> 00:14:35,870 and what yeah what the Reno promise that 305 00:14:39,730 --> 00:14:37,640 the trustees and and the guy who was 306 00:14:41,530 --> 00:14:39,740 looking after of the time that wouldn't 307 00:14:43,210 --> 00:14:41,540 be turning up with a long cloaks and 308 00:14:44,530 --> 00:14:43,220 pointed hats with strange symbols on 309 00:14:47,020 --> 00:14:44,540 them and stuff and it was all gonna be 310 00:14:50,950 --> 00:14:47,030 pretty low-key so and that's exactly 311 00:14:54,250 --> 00:14:50,960 what we did but ended up but well there 312 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:54,260 we went was with two sets of mediums to 313 00:14:58,630 --> 00:14:57,050 husband-wife team of mediums I went 314 00:15:01,840 --> 00:14:58,640 along with my wife and then somewhat a 315 00:15:03,610 --> 00:15:01,850 couple other guys and this is when one 316 00:15:05,980 --> 00:15:03,620 of the I would fight the mediums were 317 00:15:08,830 --> 00:15:05,990 them separate teams but both the teams 318 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:08,840 who had never met before and neither had 319 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:11,090 they been in the chapel before they both 320 00:15:14,890 --> 00:15:13,490 identified this area in front of the 321 00:15:17,260 --> 00:15:14,900 office at Matthew alter has been 322 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:17,270 something kind of special and at one 323 00:15:21,070 --> 00:15:19,130 point I was asked to go and stand with a 324 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:21,080 later study I said well yes you are you 325 00:15:25,870 --> 00:15:24,170 know anything and when I stood there I 326 00:15:27,700 --> 00:15:25,880 couldn't keep my arms up Maceda kept 327 00:15:30,310 --> 00:15:27,710 floating up from my side it was the 328 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:30,320 strangest sensation then one of the 329 00:15:34,150 --> 00:15:32,570 mediums said to me she said look close 330 00:15:36,220 --> 00:15:34,160 your eyes and I was stunned and there 331 00:15:40,180 --> 00:15:36,230 may be little about my back was touching 332 00:15:41,770 --> 00:15:40,190 touching the altar and and she said 333 00:15:44,290 --> 00:15:41,780 close your eyes and the next thing I 334 00:15:46,660 --> 00:15:44,300 felt it was like something under my feet 335 00:15:49,180 --> 00:15:46,670 pushing me up from the floor and I 336 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:49,190 thought wow and I tried to lean back 337 00:15:54,490 --> 00:15:50,810 because I thought I'm gonna fall over 338 00:15:56,410 --> 00:15:54,500 here so yeah that the harm that I leaned 339 00:15:58,240 --> 00:15:56,420 back the more the pressure came up from 340 00:16:00,310 --> 00:15:58,250 the floor and an eventual I came off the 341 00:16:02,110 --> 00:16:00,320 floor and stumbled forward and the 342 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:02,120 medium said what do you think of that I 343 00:16:06,190 --> 00:16:04,490 said for the funny I think that the 344 00:16:08,620 --> 00:16:06,200 adrenaline was what was really pumping 345 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:08,630 so my wife who was there as it and I 346 00:16:12,010 --> 00:16:10,610 said GU stand there go and stand there 347 00:16:14,260 --> 00:16:12,020 didn't tell her what had happened to 348 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:14,270 know what I felt and she went and stood 349 00:16:19,180 --> 00:16:16,970 there and entered my arms after still 350 00:16:20,530 --> 00:16:19,190 drifting up from my sights and she said 351 00:16:23,140 --> 00:16:20,540 it looked at me and I thought wow and 352 00:16:24,790 --> 00:16:23,150 that all this was captured and well at 353 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:24,800 the time he didn't have digital record 354 00:16:29,079 --> 00:16:26,330 but there was captured and video 355 00:16:31,810 --> 00:16:29,089 recorder and the sad thing is this 356 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:31,820 incident which had caught on on video T 357 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:34,730 the BBC asked for asked could to see 358 00:16:38,410 --> 00:16:36,650 this tape and stupidly enough I didn't 359 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:38,420 make a copy of it sent them I sent the 360 00:16:43,540 --> 00:16:42,770 original and yeah almost the tape yeah 361 00:16:48,060 --> 00:16:43,550 yeah 362 00:16:58,270 --> 00:16:48,070 oh my gosh so I don't have any vision 363 00:17:03,730 --> 00:16:58,280 once a Bruce burg just was it he works 364 00:17:08,050 --> 00:17:03,740 for the BBC now does he yeah okay it's 365 00:17:12,579 --> 00:17:08,060 at BBC two isn't that where forbidden 366 00:17:16,780 --> 00:17:12,589 history is isn't oh no no no no that's 367 00:17:19,660 --> 00:17:16,790 on really there's a 88-90 digital 368 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:19,670 channels in the UK here that's right 369 00:17:24,810 --> 00:17:21,770 yeah there's more than that and they're 370 00:17:26,980 --> 00:17:24,820 all free see here which is pretty good 371 00:17:28,390 --> 00:17:26,990 but except for the BBC though obviously 372 00:17:31,030 --> 00:17:28,400 they're all paid for by advertising 373 00:17:33,790 --> 00:17:31,040 which is cool which is fine but no Bruce 374 00:17:36,430 --> 00:17:33,800 did they show forbidden history and that 375 00:17:38,170 --> 00:17:36,440 goes out on a channel called really so 376 00:17:41,380 --> 00:17:38,180 it no it doesn't work for the BBC know 377 00:17:42,550 --> 00:17:41,390 what no no oh I see but the BBC doesn't 378 00:17:48,180 --> 00:17:42,560 own that Channel 379 00:17:51,100 --> 00:17:48,190 no no no this is all boring TV stuff but 380 00:17:52,990 --> 00:17:51,110 interesting my listeners many of them 381 00:17:56,890 --> 00:17:53,000 know Bruce Burgess it was my business 382 00:17:59,140 --> 00:17:56,900 partner and the director of in 383 00:18:02,290 --> 00:17:59,150 co-executive producer bloodline the film 384 00:18:03,870 --> 00:18:02,300 with me so and he's been on this show 385 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:03,880 before 386 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:07,730 anyhow now what you had those 387 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:09,530 experiences when you said you felt 388 00:18:14,590 --> 00:18:11,930 something pushing up did you actually 389 00:18:16,990 --> 00:18:14,600 sort of levitate yeah 390 00:18:17,770 --> 00:18:17,000 let's add later I mean I wasn't floating 391 00:18:19,180 --> 00:18:17,780 about in midair 392 00:18:21,730 --> 00:18:19,190 I mean and there's nothing crazy like 393 00:18:24,340 --> 00:18:21,740 that but I listen I was lifted 394 00:18:26,350 --> 00:18:24,350 physically off my feet maybe a bit 395 00:18:28,120 --> 00:18:26,360 quarter of an inch up were just up off 396 00:18:30,300 --> 00:18:28,130 the floor and I fell forward so 397 00:18:32,470 --> 00:18:30,310 something pushed me up from the floor so 398 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:32,480 like I said my wife stood in the same 399 00:18:35,350 --> 00:18:34,610 spot her arm started floating up from 400 00:18:37,810 --> 00:18:35,360 her side 401 00:18:40,090 --> 00:18:37,820 but but this time were starting to 402 00:18:42,300 --> 00:18:40,100 attract a bit of attention so I guess 403 00:18:45,990 --> 00:18:42,310 what to stop doing what we're doing yeah 404 00:18:48,370 --> 00:18:46,000 yeah but but but they would say was that 405 00:18:51,460 --> 00:18:48,380 one of the other mediums who was there 406 00:18:53,470 --> 00:18:51,470 and the really sensitive mediums were 407 00:18:55,420 --> 00:18:53,480 the females they were picking up a lot 408 00:18:56,899 --> 00:18:55,430 of stuff in the chapel that one of them 409 00:18:58,729 --> 00:18:56,909 said and I can under 410 00:19:01,820 --> 00:18:58,739 and why she said this she said that the 411 00:19:05,389 --> 00:19:01,830 chapel is not temporarily stable in 412 00:19:08,269 --> 00:19:05,399 other words exists 99.9 percent here and 413 00:19:11,690 --> 00:19:08,279 point zero one percent somewhere else 414 00:19:14,299 --> 00:19:11,700 okay so the chapel is actually a 415 00:19:16,849 --> 00:19:14,309 bridging point between two realities she 416 00:19:18,739 --> 00:19:16,859 thought and it was around this time that 417 00:19:20,149 --> 00:19:18,749 I thought that there was a I heard that 418 00:19:22,430 --> 00:19:20,159 were the rumors are what was supposed to 419 00:19:24,919 --> 00:19:22,440 be buried and the vaults maybe it's a 420 00:19:26,599 --> 00:19:24,929 chapel and one of the things is supposed 421 00:19:29,509 --> 00:19:26,609 to be down there as literally and 422 00:19:31,580 --> 00:19:29,519 physically the gateway to heaven okay I 423 00:19:33,799 --> 00:19:31,590 guess some sort of Gateway to heaven is 424 00:19:36,889 --> 00:19:33,809 down in the vaults and I wondered if 425 00:19:39,799 --> 00:19:36,899 this was some sort of reflection or 426 00:19:41,629 --> 00:19:39,809 mentioned or somewhere putting the fact 427 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:41,639 that there's a portal in the chapel and 428 00:19:47,419 --> 00:19:45,090 as far as that they you know the elders 429 00:19:48,889 --> 00:19:47,429 were concerned it was a it was a steroid 430 00:19:56,719 --> 00:19:48,899 not a stair which they have much Led 431 00:19:59,479 --> 00:19:56,729 Zeppelin but that's you know like the 432 00:20:01,849 --> 00:19:59,489 the church at Rennes le Chateau you know 433 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:01,859 the Alma inscribed above the doorway is 434 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:03,690 you know this place is terrible and the 435 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:06,570 end of that Bible verse when you look it 436 00:20:12,109 --> 00:20:09,090 up reads and it is the gate way to 437 00:20:15,399 --> 00:20:12,119 heaven and it's from the of Jacob's 438 00:20:18,649 --> 00:20:15,409 Ladder where he goes climbs the ladder 439 00:20:21,589 --> 00:20:18,659 basically through a portal into heaven 440 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:21,599 and it's interesting there you know 441 00:20:28,519 --> 00:20:24,330 other correlations between these two 442 00:20:32,930 --> 00:20:28,529 places but I'm wondering what existed on 443 00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:32,940 that site before Rosslyn Chapel was 444 00:20:41,139 --> 00:20:36,320 built there was it opposed yeah I 445 00:20:44,779 --> 00:20:41,149 wouldn't say well yeah originally it's 446 00:20:47,060 --> 00:20:44,789 there was a his thought and like I said 447 00:20:48,349 --> 00:20:47,070 there is no guarantee of this but there 448 00:20:50,779 --> 00:20:48,359 is believed to have been a place of 449 00:20:53,479 --> 00:20:50,789 healing once upon a time it's also 450 00:20:56,599 --> 00:20:53,489 believed to have been a site of a place 451 00:20:58,519 --> 00:20:56,609 of Celtic or Celtic Christianity was 452 00:21:03,379 --> 00:20:58,529 practiced and because of these 453 00:21:05,719 --> 00:21:03,389 associations it was it was selected by 454 00:21:08,299 --> 00:21:05,729 the center family to build the same 455 00:21:10,039 --> 00:21:08,309 Rosslyn Chapel but you gotta remember 456 00:21:10,670 --> 00:21:10,049 that Rosslyn Chapel is just a name 457 00:21:14,380 --> 00:21:10,680 that's been gay 458 00:21:16,610 --> 00:21:14,390 to it it's it's real name our name is 459 00:21:18,410 --> 00:21:16,620 currently known as there's the 460 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:18,420 Collegiate Church of st. Matthew and 461 00:21:25,850 --> 00:21:22,290 she's a hence at Matthew author and yeah 462 00:21:27,410 --> 00:21:25,860 man and the thing is that oh yes there 463 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:27,420 is the collegiate taht is it's a 464 00:21:32,990 --> 00:21:30,090 functioning Episcopalian Church it holds 465 00:21:35,510 --> 00:21:33,000 its services every Sunday people get 466 00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:35,520 married there so it's a functioning 467 00:21:41,150 --> 00:21:38,640 church and you've got people who go 468 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:41,160 there to carry out investigations such 469 00:21:45,170 --> 00:21:42,930 as weeded and I can assure you know it's 470 00:21:48,140 --> 00:21:45,180 not encouraged anymore by any manner it 471 00:21:50,330 --> 00:21:48,150 means is that the people who go there 472 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:50,340 they actually do anything it has to be 473 00:21:56,030 --> 00:21:52,170 when there are no services planned and 474 00:21:58,130 --> 00:21:56,040 and all the so that they the people at 475 00:22:00,440 --> 00:21:58,140 the services are no longer there and the 476 00:22:02,660 --> 00:22:00,450 police are so shut down it's only then 477 00:22:05,660 --> 00:22:02,670 that you're allowed access to it to 478 00:22:10,790 --> 00:22:05,670 carry or any sort of walk drones or 479 00:22:14,050 --> 00:22:10,800 investigations of any kind yes well 480 00:22:18,620 --> 00:22:14,060 that's sort of like many of the sites a 481 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:18,630 particularly since the big explosion 482 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:20,970 that The Da Vinci Code would caused of 483 00:22:25,010 --> 00:22:23,490 you know ten years ago there have been 484 00:22:29,210 --> 00:22:25,020 people going in droves to these 485 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:29,220 locations and many people go and want to 486 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:31,530 practice their own rituals and things 487 00:22:36,590 --> 00:22:34,890 like that and some of those sites aren't 488 00:22:41,780 --> 00:22:36,600 particularly friendly to that sort of 489 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:41,790 thing no I kind of just say that when we 490 00:22:46,370 --> 00:22:44,970 first went there when alone 1998 was 491 00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:46,380 that was the first if you like 492 00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:48,720 investigation we carried out that I only 493 00:22:52,250 --> 00:22:50,880 found out about the place thirteen the 494 00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:52,260 book the Holy Blood and the Holy Grail 495 00:22:57,740 --> 00:22:55,440 and I usually I first visited Ross like 496 00:23:00,500 --> 00:22:57,750 Jeff I guess in 1992 had never heard of 497 00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:00,510 it before them which seems a bit very 498 00:23:07,700 --> 00:23:04,080 cybers true but when we first went there 499 00:23:10,010 --> 00:23:07,710 there was a very very how can I put this 500 00:23:12,290 --> 00:23:10,020 the feeling in the police was almost 501 00:23:13,940 --> 00:23:12,300 tangible it's almost like as if you 502 00:23:16,190 --> 00:23:13,950 visit the Church of the Nativity in 503 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:16,200 Israel when you go down into that vault 504 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:18,210 into the cellars where the church the 505 00:23:22,940 --> 00:23:20,610 Nativity is that those are a tangible 506 00:23:24,350 --> 00:23:22,950 presence that there's a power you can 507 00:23:27,020 --> 00:23:24,360 feel that your power it's 508 00:23:28,490 --> 00:23:27,030 almost tasted touch it well Rosslyn 509 00:23:30,650 --> 00:23:28,500 Chapel used to be like that but then 510 00:23:33,260 --> 00:23:30,660 when you would enter the place the the 511 00:23:35,030 --> 00:23:33,270 feeling of presence was incredibly 512 00:23:36,650 --> 00:23:35,040 powerful you felt you could you could 513 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:36,660 cut pieces off it and put it in your 514 00:23:41,690 --> 00:23:38,610 book and take it away it was so powerful 515 00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:41,700 but I think as people as a number of 516 00:23:45,860 --> 00:23:44,400 people love God never as packed up as 517 00:23:47,930 --> 00:23:45,870 the fruit fall has increased going 518 00:23:50,150 --> 00:23:47,940 through the chapel everybody has gone 519 00:23:53,150 --> 00:23:50,160 there it's almost have taken a tangle of 520 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:53,160 particle away with it no but for me when 521 00:23:57,620 --> 00:23:55,290 if when I go into the chapel know it's 522 00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:57,630 just good into another building that the 523 00:24:02,659 --> 00:24:00,240 sense of specialness I think has gone we 524 00:24:04,430 --> 00:24:02,669 do t that you're the beauty of the 525 00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:04,440 architects are still there and stuff but 526 00:24:10,159 --> 00:24:07,919 that as far as been a place of poetess 527 00:24:12,260 --> 00:24:10,169 concern up that's all disappeared that 528 00:24:14,270 --> 00:24:12,270 nothing is dissipated by people taken 529 00:24:16,340 --> 00:24:14,280 away parts of it with them as a visited 530 00:24:18,770 --> 00:24:16,350 and I think that's a great shame but I 531 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:18,780 guess that the flipside Allah says it's 532 00:24:23,690 --> 00:24:21,690 opened up that the chapel and and the 533 00:24:25,730 --> 00:24:23,700 opportunities that represents that the 534 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:25,740 many tens of thousands of people are 535 00:24:30,380 --> 00:24:27,690 visited there but what you said about 536 00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:30,390 the the Da Vinci Code is actually quite 537 00:24:35,539 --> 00:24:33,200 strange because my wife and I were 538 00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:35,549 visiting there just before the shot that 539 00:24:41,210 --> 00:24:38,640 I shot that the chapel scenes and the 540 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:41,220 actual lead on an extra-long stepladder 541 00:24:46,130 --> 00:24:43,530 so her gun to the Lady Chapel to take 542 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:46,140 photographs of the a of the cubes which 543 00:24:51,620 --> 00:24:49,890 are up in the ceiling and yeah and the 544 00:24:53,870 --> 00:24:51,630 chip is in the carpenter's that the were 545 00:24:55,220 --> 00:24:53,880 carrying sheets a hard board chip 546 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:55,230 dropping all the rest of it down the 547 00:24:59,419 --> 00:24:56,730 stairs and the Crypt actually build a 548 00:25:02,299 --> 00:24:59,429 set so seems a bit strange to see their 549 00:25:03,530 --> 00:25:02,309 guys doing this but yeah actually yeah 550 00:25:05,090 --> 00:25:03,540 we would actually there when they were 551 00:25:10,090 --> 00:25:05,100 building the set for The Da Vinci Code 552 00:25:14,539 --> 00:25:10,100 oh wow that's pretty amazing yeah that 553 00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:14,549 broken in subsequent film really spoke 554 00:25:18,980 --> 00:25:16,559 to a lot of people you know of course 555 00:25:21,980 --> 00:25:18,990 you and I were in to the end of this 556 00:25:25,130 --> 00:25:21,990 mystery long before that I think my 557 00:25:28,159 --> 00:25:25,140 entree into this particular material was 558 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:28,169 by a you know Holy Blood Holy Grail in 559 00:25:35,450 --> 00:25:31,730 1982 by beta's Lincoln of course yes yes 560 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:35,460 so in The Da Vinci Code you know of 561 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:36,890 course I read 562 00:25:40,990 --> 00:25:39,050 because I was in the midst of a project 563 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:41,000 it was in in the midst of the bloodline 564 00:25:47,530 --> 00:25:42,890 project already before the da vinci code 565 00:25:49,780 --> 00:25:47,540 even came out and so I recognized bits 566 00:25:51,850 --> 00:25:49,790 of it and I realized this is going to 567 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:51,860 cause a big wave of interest in the 568 00:25:54,940 --> 00:25:53,570 subject matter and of course it did it 569 00:25:58,540 --> 00:25:54,950 was the best-selling novel of all time 570 00:26:02,440 --> 00:25:58,550 and I got to give danver and credit for 571 00:26:05,380 --> 00:26:02,450 that because he put bits of information 572 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:05,390 and history in there that were very 573 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:08,690 tantalizing and and recognizable enough 574 00:26:15,190 --> 00:26:11,210 to people that knew a little bit about 575 00:26:18,100 --> 00:26:15,200 it but he wrapped it up in an adventure 576 00:26:20,860 --> 00:26:18,110 story that was palatable to a very very 577 00:26:22,270 --> 00:26:20,870 broad audience whereas you know Holy 578 00:26:24,550 --> 00:26:22,280 Blood Holy Grail was kind of a 579 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:24,560 penitential read but if you're into the 580 00:26:33,310 --> 00:26:32,090 subject matter you've read it anyway the 581 00:26:35,470 --> 00:26:33,320 Holy Grail 582 00:26:37,660 --> 00:26:35,480 I mean it was actually there were people 583 00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:37,670 visiting us that come across you know 584 00:26:41,530 --> 00:26:38,960 for a couple of drinks and I just 585 00:26:43,030 --> 00:26:41,540 digested some conversation and the guy 586 00:26:46,180 --> 00:26:43,040 broke he had brought Holy Blood Holy 587 00:26:47,230 --> 00:26:46,190 Grail with him and you know he left it 588 00:26:49,210 --> 00:26:47,240 was me reading I was absolutely 589 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:49,220 fascinated by it eventually bought my 590 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:51,890 own copy and I was at a meeting of the 591 00:26:56,140 --> 00:26:54,530 Sonia our society because he I think we 592 00:26:59,050 --> 00:26:56,150 mentioned this what we're doing that 593 00:27:01,390 --> 00:26:59,060 last show this on-air society and handy 594 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:01,400 were handy was given a presentation at 595 00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:02,570 that and I got to say in the book 596 00:27:09,610 --> 00:27:04,880 obviously empty you know put his name on 597 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:09,620 it and yeah but but the boots were the 598 00:27:13,780 --> 00:27:11,810 temple and the lodge and the other book 599 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:13,790 she gave up the Holy Blood Holy Grail 600 00:27:18,730 --> 00:27:15,890 they're pretty interesting as well 601 00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:18,740 oh yeah yeah they were I had an 602 00:27:23,620 --> 00:27:21,440 opportunity to work with Michael Baigent 603 00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:23,630 at some length he came over to the 604 00:27:29,950 --> 00:27:26,480 United States and worked with actually 605 00:27:33,070 --> 00:27:29,960 Bruce Burgess and I on the project that 606 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:33,080 was the sort of it's what bloodline 607 00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:35,090 developed out of it was actually a 608 00:27:41,230 --> 00:27:37,520 television project that ended up getting 609 00:27:43,900 --> 00:27:41,240 shelved by Fox Studios not because of 610 00:27:46,090 --> 00:27:43,910 any controversy just because of you know 611 00:27:48,370 --> 00:27:46,100 in studio politics the president left 612 00:27:50,620 --> 00:27:48,380 and all the executives that were working 613 00:27:53,100 --> 00:27:50,630 on our project went behind her 614 00:27:56,470 --> 00:27:53,110 so our project just kind of withered but 615 00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:56,480 Michael went back to the UK and or 616 00:28:02,290 --> 00:27:58,010 actually I think he was living in my 617 00:28:03,460 --> 00:28:02,300 Orca at the time and Bruce and I just 618 00:28:06,190 --> 00:28:03,470 sort of looked at each other said well 619 00:28:08,980 --> 00:28:06,200 what do we do now so we said we got to 620 00:28:12,210 --> 00:28:08,990 keep going so we ended up raising the 621 00:28:17,050 --> 00:28:12,220 funds to do a five-year investigation 622 00:28:18,370 --> 00:28:17,060 and in documentary film so that's that's 623 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:18,380 how that all came about but certainly 624 00:28:22,900 --> 00:28:19,970 Michael pagent you know the temple in 625 00:28:25,540 --> 00:28:22,910 the lodge and in some of his subsequent 626 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:25,550 books were very interesting as well the 627 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:28,010 inquisition book that Yvette was yeah it 628 00:28:37,090 --> 00:28:32,330 was good good historical piece but 629 00:28:40,690 --> 00:28:37,100 anyhow it looks like we are about ready 630 00:28:45,970 --> 00:28:40,700 to take a break here so before we go off 631 00:28:49,780 --> 00:28:45,980 to break Brian I had your website let me 632 00:28:54,780 --> 00:28:49,790 see if I still have it up here I guess I 633 00:28:59,170 --> 00:28:54,790 don't so it it's Brian J Allen dot home 634 00:29:07,300 --> 00:28:59,180 no no house - - home - home dot uk' 635 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:07,310 no Cody okay okay it's Brian J Allen al 636 00:29:13,780 --> 00:29:11,930 LAN yeah all right we're gonna take a 637 00:29:19,020 --> 00:29:13,790 quick break and when we come back more 638 00:29:22,540 --> 00:29:20,950 welcome back to night vision 639 00:29:24,490 --> 00:29:22,550 I'm your host Renee Barnett and if 640 00:29:28,180 --> 00:29:24,500 you're just joining us my guest tonight 641 00:29:30,730 --> 00:29:28,190 is Brian J Allen he is an author 642 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:30,740 a paranormal researcher the editor of 643 00:29:34,930 --> 00:29:32,930 phenomena magazine and we've been 644 00:29:39,250 --> 00:29:34,940 talking about Rosslyn Chapel in Scotland 645 00:29:40,990 --> 00:29:39,260 of course many of you know lots about 646 00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:41,000 Rossum along have you probably been 647 00:29:47,140 --> 00:29:44,960 there and those of you who are da Vinci 648 00:29:49,450 --> 00:29:47,150 Code fans may have learned about it the 649 00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:49,460 first time when reading The Da Vinci 650 00:29:58,170 --> 00:29:53,200 Code but old hats like Brian and myself 651 00:30:03,010 --> 00:30:00,640 mentioned brendlin Chateau in the church 652 00:30:04,690 --> 00:30:03,020 there and I also asked you you know what 653 00:30:08,230 --> 00:30:04,700 was there 654 00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:08,240 but at Roslin before that particular 655 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:11,840 church was built there and because I 656 00:30:15,940 --> 00:30:13,730 know many of these churches these 657 00:30:19,090 --> 00:30:15,950 Christian churches are built on you know 658 00:30:21,159 --> 00:30:19,100 old pagan sites and and you know they 659 00:30:23,260 --> 00:30:21,169 used to say you know we're stamping out 660 00:30:26,590 --> 00:30:23,270 paganism we're gonna build our church 661 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:26,600 over this site and wipe it out but you 662 00:30:31,510 --> 00:30:28,730 know what I'm beginning to more and more 663 00:30:34,269 --> 00:30:31,520 think is that they're you know they 664 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:34,279 wanted those particular sites that had 665 00:30:40,539 --> 00:30:37,130 been taken advantage of for years or 666 00:30:42,269 --> 00:30:40,549 even centuries by other groups because 667 00:30:46,060 --> 00:30:42,279 they knew that there was something 668 00:30:49,740 --> 00:30:46,070 interesting there in the makeup of the 669 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:49,750 land itself or that particular location 670 00:30:55,060 --> 00:30:52,730 do you sort of agree with that do you 671 00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:55,070 see that as a possibility that what it 672 00:31:00,460 --> 00:30:57,970 really was what's it they were trying to 673 00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:00,470 take that power of that particular 674 00:31:04,779 --> 00:31:03,289 location or or whatever it was to use 675 00:31:08,260 --> 00:31:04,789 for their own purposes 676 00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:08,270 oh yes that's entirely possible 677 00:31:14,950 --> 00:31:10,880 as I said earlier that the the location 678 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:14,960 was used as a site for a Celtic Celtic 679 00:31:18,820 --> 00:31:17,450 Christian Church but before that this 680 00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:18,830 thought that there was a temple of 681 00:31:24,700 --> 00:31:23,120 mithras don't leer as well and so that 682 00:31:26,380 --> 00:31:24,710 would be quite right because method Isis 683 00:31:30,430 --> 00:31:26,390 you probably know what was as a priya 684 00:31:32,669 --> 00:31:30,440 was a precursor for Christ yeah yeah so 685 00:31:36,730 --> 00:31:32,679 that the whole thing okay 686 00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:36,740 yeah Mithras born on December 25th born 687 00:31:43,450 --> 00:31:39,440 of a virgin the whole story you know 688 00:31:47,740 --> 00:31:43,460 very very much the same as as a story of 689 00:31:49,570 --> 00:31:47,750 Jesus that we learned anything the thing 690 00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:49,580 is that Jesus of course wasn't born the 691 00:31:55,149 --> 00:31:51,529 25th of December as you probably know 692 00:31:58,450 --> 00:31:55,159 where he was the grand prize of 1 693 00:32:02,019 --> 00:31:58,460 million dollars what color is the White 694 00:32:04,930 --> 00:32:02,029 House I know this I know this I know 695 00:32:07,570 --> 00:32:04,940 this five seconds 696 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:07,580 Oh switching to Geico could save you a 697 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:09,690 bunch of money on car insurance 698 00:32:17,470 --> 00:32:14,450 okay judges that's true Kevin Noah 699 00:32:20,420 --> 00:32:17,480 congratulations you're a winner 700 00:32:23,330 --> 00:32:20,430 Geico because saving 15% or more on car 701 00:32:26,170 --> 00:32:23,340 insurance is always a great answer yes 702 00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:26,180 yeah that's why they took that date 703 00:32:33,220 --> 00:32:30,000 though yet the 2015 in honor of mithras 704 00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:33,230 but yeah I think a lot of these sites 705 00:32:39,950 --> 00:32:36,960 probably were there was some reason 706 00:32:42,530 --> 00:32:39,960 other than the apparent one why these 707 00:32:48,940 --> 00:32:42,540 churches and cathedrals are located in 708 00:32:51,260 --> 00:32:48,950 certain certain places about oh go ahead 709 00:32:54,350 --> 00:32:51,270 then I was going to say that they shot 710 00:32:58,150 --> 00:32:54,360 Cathedral for example in Paris that is 711 00:33:00,890 --> 00:32:58,160 built it is built on a conjunction of 712 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:00,900 ley lines it's built on a conjunction of 713 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:03,090 underground water tracks you know an 714 00:33:07,310 --> 00:33:05,250 underground water shims so that the 715 00:33:09,140 --> 00:33:07,320 whole thing that all these buildings 716 00:33:11,330 --> 00:33:09,150 that the old buildings not so much the 717 00:33:13,820 --> 00:33:11,340 new ones but the old ones were built on 718 00:33:16,420 --> 00:33:13,830 on areas that were noted to have some 719 00:33:19,460 --> 00:33:16,430 self I'm seeing this in inverted commas 720 00:33:21,140 --> 00:33:19,470 spiritual / although what the spiritual 721 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:21,150 fire was was probably down to earth 722 00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:23,010 energies and one kind or another you 723 00:33:29,900 --> 00:33:26,310 know it seems that the the water source 724 00:33:33,860 --> 00:33:29,910 part is an important component to these 725 00:33:36,590 --> 00:33:33,870 sites you know what I love yeah yeah 726 00:33:38,330 --> 00:33:36,600 I'll get the sharp and down under shirt 727 00:33:41,450 --> 00:33:38,340 there's a there's you know there's a 728 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:41,460 water as you mentioned a water source 729 00:33:50,510 --> 00:33:48,450 there's also in San so piece in Paris we 730 00:33:52,850 --> 00:33:50,520 were able to sneak down in the bottom 731 00:33:55,550 --> 00:33:52,860 and there's a deep deep well down there 732 00:33:57,980 --> 00:33:55,560 which we were surprised to find or maybe 733 00:34:00,170 --> 00:33:57,990 not so surprised but that does seem to 734 00:34:03,260 --> 00:34:00,180 be an important element 735 00:34:05,630 --> 00:34:03,270 you know alchemically or whatever 736 00:34:07,700 --> 00:34:05,640 whatever it is that that they're that 737 00:34:10,820 --> 00:34:07,710 they're looking for there but you know 738 00:34:13,580 --> 00:34:10,830 you mentioned that when you were in 739 00:34:16,250 --> 00:34:13,590 Rosslyn and I'm sure other places that 740 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:16,260 you've had you know paranormal 741 00:34:22,970 --> 00:34:20,210 experiences of your own and and one 742 00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:22,980 person died in the chat room 743 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:25,679 was asking a question you know do you 744 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:29,010 have any thoughts on why so-called 745 00:34:35,359 --> 00:34:32,330 paranormal advanced or UFOs whatever 746 00:34:40,190 --> 00:34:35,369 seem to appear to some people and not 747 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:40,200 others well yes some people are attuned 748 00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:41,850 to it it's as simple as that 749 00:34:45,649 --> 00:34:44,399 I mean that there's nothing I don't 750 00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:45,659 think there's anything mysterious ever 751 00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:48,240 it's just some people are more prone to 752 00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:49,649 seeing these things because they're 753 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:52,169 attuned or they're more open-minded are 754 00:34:56,180 --> 00:34:54,690 sympathetic or or more and if you like 755 00:34:59,090 --> 00:34:56,190 in harmony was what's good on learned 756 00:35:01,010 --> 00:34:59,100 about them but I also think and I found 757 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:01,020 this to be the case that the longer that 758 00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:04,650 hung around with mediums psychics people 759 00:35:09,620 --> 00:35:06,480 like that and and the the more of these 760 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:09,630 paranormal a seemed the influence places 761 00:35:13,550 --> 00:35:10,770 that I've visited that the more 762 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:13,560 sensitive I became so know that things 763 00:35:18,349 --> 00:35:16,290 happen to me on a pretty regular basis 764 00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:18,359 so that I just shrug and you say yeah 765 00:35:23,740 --> 00:35:21,359 well then there its again so I mean I 766 00:35:26,060 --> 00:35:23,750 don't I don't think it's being anything 767 00:35:29,660 --> 00:35:26,070 particularly unusual my logistics is 768 00:35:32,030 --> 00:35:29,670 partial life and yeah so I think that 769 00:35:35,780 --> 00:35:32,040 these things happen to people who are 770 00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:35,790 open-minded enough to accept it the the 771 00:35:40,730 --> 00:35:37,920 skeptics and the debunkers an ab 772 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:40,740 moodiness happens to them as well but 773 00:35:45,740 --> 00:35:42,930 what they'll do was obeying breath is 774 00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:45,750 deny all knowledge and answers got to be 775 00:35:48,980 --> 00:35:47,730 rational it's got to be rational simply 776 00:35:50,810 --> 00:35:48,990 because I think they're frightened to 777 00:35:53,150 --> 00:35:50,820 let go their own rationality because 778 00:35:56,180 --> 00:35:53,160 their rationality fellate becomes a form 779 00:35:57,890 --> 00:35:56,190 of religion and the make themself 780 00:35:59,090 --> 00:35:57,900 sleeves to that and they just shuts that 781 00:36:02,599 --> 00:35:59,100 eyes to what's going on learned about 782 00:36:06,170 --> 00:36:02,609 them sadly hmm interesting 783 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:06,180 I you know I've often wondered that same 784 00:36:11,210 --> 00:36:08,850 thing myself you know it's like I'm 785 00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:11,220 always thinking oh I want to see the UFO 786 00:36:15,470 --> 00:36:13,440 I want to see the ghost I want to you 787 00:36:16,490 --> 00:36:15,480 know have the experience you know and I 788 00:36:19,460 --> 00:36:16,500 certainly do 789 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:19,470 you know have what I feel like a return 790 00:36:25,849 --> 00:36:21,330 of experiences 791 00:36:29,090 --> 00:36:25,859 certainly with my family my kids and and 792 00:36:31,820 --> 00:36:29,100 at other times too and there are certain 793 00:36:34,910 --> 00:36:31,830 locations I've noticed where like you 794 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:34,920 mentioned how it used to feel at Rosslyn 795 00:36:38,809 --> 00:36:36,930 Chapel and 796 00:36:45,890 --> 00:36:38,819 by contrast I don't know if you've ever 797 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:45,900 been to st. cecile Cathedral in in Albee 798 00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:51,690 in France no I have no but it in that 799 00:36:57,829 --> 00:36:55,200 place in the upstairs area was where 800 00:37:03,099 --> 00:36:57,839 they would sort of torture the so-called 801 00:37:06,130 --> 00:37:03,109 heretics and there's an a very 802 00:37:10,670 --> 00:37:08,630 mural that surrounds the altar and it's 803 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:10,680 people you know suffering and burning in 804 00:37:18,890 --> 00:37:14,010 hell and when you walk into that place 805 00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:18,900 it's a very oppressive feeling oh yes so 806 00:37:22,190 --> 00:37:20,730 much so that I've taken people back 807 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:22,200 there that wanted to go and I wouldn't 808 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:25,530 go back inside I know exactly what 809 00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:26,930 you're talking about 810 00:37:33,740 --> 00:37:31,680 we were once on a case an old church up 811 00:37:37,819 --> 00:37:33,750 in the world's the north of Scotland and 812 00:37:39,770 --> 00:37:37,829 the the people that the person who was 813 00:37:41,660 --> 00:37:39,780 taken as relevant took us into this room 814 00:37:43,609 --> 00:37:41,670 and it was used whether you think a 815 00:37:46,549 --> 00:37:43,619 story well shall we say people who were 816 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:46,559 mentally infirm but back in the dark 817 00:37:51,559 --> 00:37:49,530 ages and you only had to walk into this 818 00:37:55,370 --> 00:37:51,569 room and it was late been hitting the 819 00:37:58,130 --> 00:37:55,380 gut what was a baseball but aware that 820 00:38:00,440 --> 00:37:58,140 the room itself seemed to observe all 821 00:38:03,500 --> 00:38:00,450 the negativity the sadness is suffering 822 00:38:05,569 --> 00:38:03,510 the the the the madness of the people 823 00:38:07,910 --> 00:38:05,579 who were in there and I just had to walk 824 00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:07,920 biker again because it just so profound 825 00:38:12,380 --> 00:38:09,839 that I wanted to cry as soon as I walked 826 00:38:13,970 --> 00:38:12,390 in this room but the guy that at the 827 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:13,980 time the guy didn't tell us what had 828 00:38:19,490 --> 00:38:16,290 been used for but when I saw my reaction 829 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:19,500 he explained yeah well he said people 830 00:38:23,089 --> 00:38:21,210 are sensitive get less impression in 831 00:38:25,370 --> 00:38:23,099 this room because like I say it's where 832 00:38:27,890 --> 00:38:25,380 they used to lock up people well people 833 00:38:29,690 --> 00:38:27,900 who worked were crazy and these two 834 00:38:31,609 --> 00:38:29,700 people the day is to keep them there 835 00:38:33,710 --> 00:38:31,619 till the day the pure Souls and yeah and 836 00:38:35,839 --> 00:38:33,720 that's always picking up on I guess it 837 00:38:38,690 --> 00:38:35,849 was just yet sometimes they weren't 838 00:38:40,789 --> 00:38:38,700 crazy sometimes maybe they had 839 00:38:43,039 --> 00:38:40,799 paranormal experiences and people 840 00:38:44,510 --> 00:38:43,049 thought they were crazy you know can you 841 00:38:47,059 --> 00:38:44,520 imagine being locked up in a place like 842 00:38:50,299 --> 00:38:47,069 that and being in your right mind I'm 843 00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:50,309 sure you wouldn't be for long I don't 844 00:38:53,359 --> 00:38:50,640 know 845 00:38:54,859 --> 00:38:53,369 though the Fed my stuff and I guess if 846 00:38:56,660 --> 00:38:54,869 that he can't if they thought they were 847 00:38:59,390 --> 00:38:56,670 safe enough that let the bike in the 848 00:39:01,849 --> 00:38:59,400 community or what if that paranormal 849 00:39:03,499 --> 00:39:01,859 experiences and that the denied and they 850 00:39:06,289 --> 00:39:03,509 said oh we'll only imagined that nobody 851 00:39:07,729 --> 00:39:06,299 just didn't leave in Jesus and God no 852 00:39:09,370 --> 00:39:07,739 arrests for the men they let them back 853 00:39:12,620 --> 00:39:09,380 out again 854 00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:12,630 yeah but but well I bite my lower back 855 00:39:16,309 --> 00:39:15,089 and say there you know there were I 856 00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:16,319 guess the world 857 00:39:21,259 --> 00:39:18,960 it was pretty harrowing pretty it's 858 00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:21,269 pretty sad because I mean it was just a 859 00:39:25,099 --> 00:39:23,730 bare stone room and there was a little 860 00:39:26,569 --> 00:39:25,109 slit wonder you could actually see it 861 00:39:28,670 --> 00:39:26,579 out into the street but but there was a 862 00:39:29,870 --> 00:39:28,680 door a little slit window I know what 863 00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:29,880 they were like I stood there still 864 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:31,920 inventing I got along the wall but that 865 00:39:37,849 --> 00:39:34,410 was it very very bleak very very sad 866 00:39:40,789 --> 00:39:37,859 very very depressing place oh I can 867 00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:40,799 imagine you know you mentioned to me 868 00:39:47,749 --> 00:39:45,089 before the show that you have something 869 00:39:49,309 --> 00:39:47,759 called the phenomenal project oh yes 870 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:49,319 tell me about that because it sounded 871 00:39:57,710 --> 00:39:54,450 pretty interesting yeah well before I 872 00:40:00,170 --> 00:39:57,720 was anything phenomena magazine I also 873 00:40:04,450 --> 00:40:00,180 edit is a newsstand magazine called 874 00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:04,460 paranormal and paranormal magazine I 875 00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:06,720 obviously had tried to quite a few 876 00:40:11,509 --> 00:40:08,400 people and some a guy got in contact 877 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:11,519 with my guy called Don Phillips and Don 878 00:40:15,650 --> 00:40:13,650 made some pretty big claims about what 879 00:40:17,450 --> 00:40:15,660 it was experiencing he was in contact 880 00:40:19,729 --> 00:40:17,460 force entity anyway it was a regular 881 00:40:21,499 --> 00:40:19,739 contact they helped him and it helped 882 00:40:23,660 --> 00:40:21,509 him to combat demons and all the rest of 883 00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:23,670 it and I thought wow you know yeah yeah 884 00:40:28,970 --> 00:40:26,640 yeah so I said well I got back and I 885 00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:28,980 said email the back and said well big 886 00:40:34,729 --> 00:40:31,200 claims need a lot of proof and can you 887 00:40:37,069 --> 00:40:34,739 do that so I got my telephone number we 888 00:40:38,749 --> 00:40:37,079 talked to each other for a while and I 889 00:40:42,460 --> 00:40:38,759 got to think well maybe this guy's got 890 00:40:45,650 --> 00:40:42,470 something here and I introduced them to 891 00:40:47,150 --> 00:40:45,660 our friend the main is actually CEO for 892 00:40:47,809 --> 00:40:47,160 phenomena magazine a guy called Steve 893 00:40:49,700 --> 00:40:47,819 Mira 894 00:40:51,380 --> 00:40:49,710 he's been am not sure that were both oh 895 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:51,390 and by the way there about that last 896 00:40:56,989 --> 00:40:54,930 week there and Steve Steve and Dawn even 897 00:41:00,799 --> 00:40:56,999 suggest oh my god from swor speaking at 898 00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:00,809 and they sort of hetero and and Steve 899 00:41:04,670 --> 00:41:03,119 was a bit skeptical but about what Don 900 00:41:07,069 --> 00:41:04,680 could claim that he could do 901 00:41:08,839 --> 00:41:07,079 but it went with him in a few cases and 902 00:41:10,549 --> 00:41:08,849 he suddenly realized it yeah and then 903 00:41:12,289 --> 00:41:10,559 Steve imagined a trained fighter 904 00:41:14,990 --> 00:41:12,299 psychologist so the guy knows what he's 905 00:41:16,579 --> 00:41:15,000 talking about so every suddenly realized 906 00:41:18,650 --> 00:41:16,589 that Don could do what you were saying 907 00:41:21,349 --> 00:41:18,660 he could do and the phenomenal project 908 00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:21,359 was born and basically what the 909 00:41:26,329 --> 00:41:23,609 phenomenal project is is we're 910 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:26,339 attempting to scientifically demonstrate 911 00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:29,490 that there is a parallel reality 912 00:41:35,059 --> 00:41:32,880 alongside Adan and that this life that 913 00:41:37,339 --> 00:41:35,069 we're and as I feel like it's just a 914 00:41:39,859 --> 00:41:37,349 station underway there and that when we 915 00:41:43,329 --> 00:41:39,869 die would pass over into this but as in 916 00:41:46,609 --> 00:41:43,339 doing so that will uncover some really 917 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:46,619 wide-ranging ideas some thoughts on the 918 00:41:51,019 --> 00:41:48,210 subject and some stuff that there's 919 00:41:53,450 --> 00:41:51,029 quite surprising as well for example the 920 00:41:55,460 --> 00:41:53,460 entity that Don Phillips communicates 921 00:41:59,740 --> 00:41:55,470 with any communicates with this entity 922 00:42:02,930 --> 00:41:59,750 using mostly olympus digital recorders 923 00:42:05,240 --> 00:42:02,940 and this entity kind of as a plaintiff 924 00:42:06,980 --> 00:42:05,250 just as Cletus I'm talking to you this 925 00:42:09,289 --> 00:42:06,990 is the usual nonsense that you see in 926 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:09,299 well i wouldn't name them and I may be 927 00:42:16,279 --> 00:42:11,970 brilliant of litigation but on certain 928 00:42:18,529 --> 00:42:16,289 TV show was well 80 with EVPs like 929 00:42:20,180 --> 00:42:18,539 mother's and mumbles little hisses and 930 00:42:23,269 --> 00:42:20,190 you've got to be told for the sin 931 00:42:25,609 --> 00:42:23,279 otherwise yeah so as I has sort of click 932 00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:25,619 on a muscle and mumble these knobs like 933 00:42:29,059 --> 00:42:27,359 that Lisa was like I'm talkin to you 934 00:42:31,730 --> 00:42:29,069 it's as clear as this that this entity 935 00:42:33,349 --> 00:42:31,740 sometimes are quite quiet and sometimes 936 00:42:35,900 --> 00:42:33,359 are quite loud and sometimes entities 937 00:42:38,359 --> 00:42:35,910 talking to media as well but mostly as 938 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:38,369 via these digital recorders and the 939 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:40,410 thing this entity is telling us of the 940 00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:41,970 things that are telling us are quite 941 00:42:46,370 --> 00:42:43,920 remarkable because it seems to be 942 00:42:49,250 --> 00:42:46,380 predictive and seems to be to see into 943 00:42:50,930 --> 00:42:49,260 the future a little bit and it seems to 944 00:42:53,329 --> 00:42:50,940 be able to tell and us tell us things 945 00:42:56,569 --> 00:42:53,339 that aren't going to happen but more at 946 00:42:59,420 --> 00:42:56,579 the point the entity calls itself or a 947 00:43:03,559 --> 00:42:59,430 serious name was Becky Michaels and it 948 00:43:05,870 --> 00:43:03,569 had been a been a doctor it had had 949 00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:05,880 killed been killed with it she or she 950 00:43:10,279 --> 00:43:07,200 had been killed with her two children 951 00:43:14,420 --> 00:43:10,289 and it is that a plane or a train crash 952 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:14,430 and that somehow a case that Don had 953 00:43:18,860 --> 00:43:17,210 been on they should like taunt him and 954 00:43:20,690 --> 00:43:18,870 you know and the big 955 00:43:22,940 --> 00:43:20,700 together again since fell over the first 956 00:43:27,230 --> 00:43:22,950 ten years and that's how long we've been 957 00:43:29,630 --> 00:43:27,240 communicating with her and she travels 958 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:29,640 with him there's different cases and 959 00:43:33,830 --> 00:43:31,530 helps them out but turns out that 960 00:43:35,330 --> 00:43:33,840 there's more than her there are several 961 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:35,340 of these entities that have attached 962 00:43:39,710 --> 00:43:37,170 ourselves to dawn and they all 963 00:43:42,170 --> 00:43:39,720 communicate with them via these digital 964 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:42,180 recorders note the odd thing is what we 965 00:43:48,530 --> 00:43:45,650 have tried to do is through physical 966 00:43:51,070 --> 00:43:48,540 experimentation shield the recorders 967 00:43:53,390 --> 00:43:51,080 from any possible source of 968 00:43:55,790 --> 00:43:53,400 electromagnetic radiation in other words 969 00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:55,800 the mote receiving signals via radio or 970 00:44:00,170 --> 00:43:57,690 microwave renton else 971 00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:00,180 the pluton stayed for sometimes faraday 972 00:44:06,530 --> 00:44:02,730 cages they're wrapped up in and tin foil 973 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:06,540 that wraps up and then for putin said i 974 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:08,490 found in a cage and still the voices get 975 00:44:13,730 --> 00:44:11,130 through we've wrapped him up and 14 bags 976 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:13,740 were put them and in the bottom ibaka so 977 00:44:17,330 --> 00:44:15,210 water were filled the month of the water 978 00:44:19,220 --> 00:44:17,340 but then all sorts of stuff but the 979 00:44:22,430 --> 00:44:19,230 thing is the voices are always getting 980 00:44:24,670 --> 00:44:22,440 put on the record those as almost as if 981 00:44:26,990 --> 00:44:24,680 the voices were being synthesized and 982 00:44:28,700 --> 00:44:27,000 pre-placed and the digital recording 983 00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:28,710 chip so the recorders themselves and 984 00:44:33,830 --> 00:44:31,440 when this happens the voice is the 985 00:44:37,610 --> 00:44:33,840 quality the voice changes but the voice 986 00:44:39,890 --> 00:44:37,620 is still lived it's still clear so in as 987 00:44:42,380 --> 00:44:39,900 far as we're concerned that there is the 988 00:44:45,500 --> 00:44:42,390 reality that as in contact with us but 989 00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:45,510 and here is the big problem with this as 990 00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:47,730 far as this Becky Michaels is concerned 991 00:44:52,250 --> 00:44:49,890 I won't dawn right from the start be 992 00:44:54,620 --> 00:44:52,260 careful be so careful what you're doing 993 00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:54,630 because this thing may know but not me 994 00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:57,210 not that what it says is know we've done 995 00:45:04,190 --> 00:45:00,000 some checking and as far as we're 996 00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:04,200 concerned this Becky Michaels is not 997 00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:06,720 what it says we think it's something 998 00:45:12,820 --> 00:45:07,200 else 999 00:45:16,460 --> 00:45:12,830 it insinuates or it claims to be angelic 1000 00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:16,470 maybe as depends how you define an angel 1001 00:45:23,570 --> 00:45:20,880 but we we certainly thoroughly this 1002 00:45:27,110 --> 00:45:23,580 thing this thing is not human and it's 1003 00:45:29,620 --> 00:45:27,120 never been human and but a certain is in 1004 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:29,630 contact was done Steve's head as well 1005 00:45:32,780 --> 00:45:32,370 they were asked to go with their case in 1006 00:45:38,660 --> 00:45:32,790 Seattle 1007 00:45:41,180 --> 00:45:38,670 the dead and on the way back for like 1008 00:45:43,010 --> 00:45:41,190 40,000 feet or mayor craft coming by the 1009 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:43,020 voice spoke to them Steve look that done 1010 00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:45,210 and and and dog said yeah that that's 1011 00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:47,520 Becky and this things that was speaking 1012 00:45:52,010 --> 00:45:49,530 earlier between the to him in and 1013 00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:52,020 aircraft at 40,000 feet side the both 1014 00:46:00,440 --> 00:45:55,920 have this oh my gosh let me ask you 1015 00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:00,450 about this digital recorder did did you 1016 00:46:04,490 --> 00:46:02,610 just place it and turn it on 1017 00:46:06,830 --> 00:46:04,500 did you just place it in the room and 1018 00:46:08,930 --> 00:46:06,840 not turn it on did you ask questions and 1019 00:46:12,290 --> 00:46:08,940 then wait for an answer how did that 1020 00:46:14,300 --> 00:46:12,300 work well what usually happens is that 1021 00:46:15,710 --> 00:46:14,310 the that dawn will take that again so 1022 00:46:17,930 --> 00:46:15,720 specific well it doesn't really matter 1023 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:17,940 but but Olympus is always the one of the 1024 00:46:22,220 --> 00:46:19,770 biggest manufacturer of these recorders 1025 00:46:24,050 --> 00:46:22,230 right and it's a particular modality 1026 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:24,060 users although I think it can work in 1027 00:46:28,940 --> 00:46:26,490 any of the cover any digital recorder 1028 00:46:31,340 --> 00:46:28,950 and and what Don does is else what Joe 1029 00:46:34,100 --> 00:46:31,350 and ask a question it always waits for 1030 00:46:36,050 --> 00:46:34,110 10 seconds switches off and plays by we 1031 00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:36,060 always leave this window of 10 seconds 1032 00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:38,730 for the reply to take place and maintain 1033 00:46:44,780 --> 00:46:42,720 anything over 100 it does sometimes were 1034 00:46:48,860 --> 00:46:44,790 found though that the answers are 1035 00:46:50,270 --> 00:46:48,870 enigmatic to see the best sometimes the 1036 00:46:53,690 --> 00:46:50,280 answer is that they're not allowed to 1037 00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:53,700 tell us for some reason because the 1038 00:46:58,490 --> 00:46:56,130 information will quote not ready to know 1039 00:47:01,010 --> 00:46:58,500 which is very frustrating but it turns 1040 00:47:02,810 --> 00:47:01,020 out and I've I've I've actually ended 1041 00:47:04,100 --> 00:47:02,820 pendant leave verify this nothing to do 1042 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:04,110 we're doing nothing numerous leave I've 1043 00:47:08,090 --> 00:47:05,210 actually finally at my own 1044 00:47:10,130 --> 00:47:08,100 investigations into this and appears 1045 00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:10,140 that this phenomenon of not being 1046 00:47:13,730 --> 00:47:11,520 allowed to see I'm not being allowed to 1047 00:47:15,980 --> 00:47:13,740 tell us it's not just confined to what 1048 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:15,990 this Betty says although I'm using the 1049 00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:17,610 term Becky because it's the only so 1050 00:47:22,970 --> 00:47:19,050 handle of got for it so I'll call it 1051 00:47:26,180 --> 00:47:22,980 Becky yeah but the thing is that there 1052 00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:26,190 appears to be a hierarchy over there on 1053 00:47:30,470 --> 00:47:28,800 the other side and fighters to see that 1054 00:47:32,270 --> 00:47:30,480 was a bear core and other dimensions 1055 00:47:34,550 --> 00:47:32,280 really because I don't think it's it's 1056 00:47:35,990 --> 00:47:34,560 it's the definitely was spirit let's 1057 00:47:38,540 --> 00:47:36,000 just do with energy flow and their 1058 00:47:42,620 --> 00:47:38,550 energy transmission that this other 1059 00:47:45,620 --> 00:47:42,630 dimension has things that the government 1060 00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:45,630 what goes on there don't call them light 1061 00:47:47,810 --> 00:47:46,530 atoms 1062 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:47,820 and this is the name that he's been 1063 00:47:51,170 --> 00:47:49,770 given that these things can when he's 1064 00:47:53,720 --> 00:47:51,180 having a conversation with Becky 1065 00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:53,730 suddenly these things all blast through 1066 00:47:57,980 --> 00:47:55,650 the conversation and that the voices 1067 00:48:00,080 --> 00:47:57,990 Jonah Beck is completely and they'll 1068 00:48:02,060 --> 00:48:00,090 just say enough and they'll shut the 1069 00:48:03,620 --> 00:48:02,070 whole thing down almost as if there's 1070 00:48:05,240 --> 00:48:03,630 too much info and fight I'm starting to 1071 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:05,250 go stone-cold know something I think 1072 00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:06,450 someone's just burned up and they're 1073 00:48:10,550 --> 00:48:09,090 with me let me listen to them for all we 1074 00:48:13,100 --> 00:48:10,560 know yeah I wouldn't be surprised this 1075 00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:13,110 happened before so oh my gosh 1076 00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:16,530 yeah so what actually happens is these 1077 00:48:21,380 --> 00:48:18,960 things communicate and they actually 1078 00:48:23,720 --> 00:48:21,390 decide what can be said what can't be 1079 00:48:24,620 --> 00:48:23,730 said no independently verified this from 1080 00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:24,630 other sources 1081 00:48:27,830 --> 00:48:26,400 we don't know dawn don't know Steve 1082 00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:27,840 don't know anything about the phenomena 1083 00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:29,760 project but they're having the same 1084 00:48:33,410 --> 00:48:31,650 experiences they're coming right with 1085 00:48:35,090 --> 00:48:33,420 the same stories as that they are in 1086 00:48:36,980 --> 00:48:35,100 contact with whatever's on this other 1087 00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:36,990 they mentioned but there's only so much 1088 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:38,610 information that we should be given and 1089 00:48:43,220 --> 00:48:41,010 it's and if there's anything too 1090 00:48:45,890 --> 00:48:43,230 sensitive it will be shut down and we 1091 00:48:49,010 --> 00:48:45,900 will not be told because we're back in 1092 00:48:49,970 --> 00:48:49,020 the 1980s nineteen nineties though there 1093 00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:49,980 was something called the school 1094 00:48:55,370 --> 00:48:53,280 experiment was started I would I was 1095 00:48:58,550 --> 00:48:55,380 just going to ask you if you knew about 1096 00:49:01,370 --> 00:48:58,560 the school experiments because oh yeah 1097 00:49:04,610 --> 00:49:01,380 yes yes I'm very familiar with that and 1098 00:49:07,340 --> 00:49:04,620 in fact they actually that group the 1099 00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:07,350 school group as you may know it's sort 1100 00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:10,530 of a tour of the United States and okay 1101 00:49:13,460 --> 00:49:12,210 yeah they will be here in less Angeles 1102 00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:13,470 now I didn't see them when they were 1103 00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:16,170 here I did have friends who were present 1104 00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:18,930 at some of their you know sittings as 1105 00:49:24,830 --> 00:49:21,770 they called them and there was amazing 1106 00:49:26,750 --> 00:49:24,840 phenomena that that happened and I heard 1107 00:49:29,050 --> 00:49:26,760 about it and I thought oh that sounds 1108 00:49:32,810 --> 00:49:29,060 crazy I don't believe that and then 1109 00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:32,820 someone came to me there was a book 1110 00:49:38,810 --> 00:49:35,490 written about it by a couple named their 1111 00:49:43,010 --> 00:49:38,820 last name was Solomon and so yeah yeah 1112 00:49:46,970 --> 00:49:43,020 and so so they sent someone to me at my 1113 00:49:48,980 --> 00:49:46,980 office and was you know want to know if 1114 00:49:53,420 --> 00:49:48,990 I was interested in doing a documentary 1115 00:49:55,580 --> 00:49:53,430 or a television program about it and I 1116 00:49:57,830 --> 00:49:55,590 was partners with Bruce Burgess at the 1117 00:50:00,110 --> 00:49:57,840 time and Bruce was in England at the 1118 00:50:03,380 --> 00:50:00,120 time so he went and visited 1119 00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:03,390 with the skull group at the time himself 1120 00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:05,490 so yes but for those who may not know 1121 00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:07,920 what the skull experiments were it was a 1122 00:50:15,050 --> 00:50:12,480 group it was two couples in England in a 1123 00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:15,060 village called skull and there the skull 1124 00:50:21,500 --> 00:50:18,210 experiments and they started trying to 1125 00:50:25,610 --> 00:50:21,510 communicate with other dimensions the 1126 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:25,620 other side whatever and they started 1127 00:50:32,750 --> 00:50:29,010 getting a lot of responses they started 1128 00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:32,760 being instructed to snap pictures you 1129 00:50:37,090 --> 00:50:34,800 know in pitch blackness and then when 1130 00:50:42,110 --> 00:50:37,100 the film was developed there would be 1131 00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:42,120 images on on the on the film and then at 1132 00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:43,770 some point they were even told just to 1133 00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:46,290 put the camera on the table and they 1134 00:50:49,930 --> 00:50:47,850 didn't even have to snap the pictures 1135 00:50:53,300 --> 00:50:49,940 the film would be developed actually 1136 00:50:54,530 --> 00:50:53,310 Kodak the film company got involved with 1137 00:50:56,510 --> 00:50:54,540 them and was sending them sealed 1138 00:50:58,460 --> 00:50:56,520 canisters of film and would take them 1139 00:51:01,550 --> 00:50:58,470 back and develop them and verify that 1140 00:51:03,650 --> 00:51:01,560 they hadn't been tampered with and at 1141 00:51:05,720 --> 00:51:03,660 one point then they were just instructed 1142 00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:05,730 to set the film canister on the table 1143 00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:08,610 and these pictures would appear now is 1144 00:51:13,820 --> 00:51:11,370 this what you're saying kind of happened 1145 00:51:17,330 --> 00:51:13,830 and they also had some recordings that 1146 00:51:19,610 --> 00:51:17,340 were quite clear just like and in fact I 1147 00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:19,620 talked to a gentleman here in Los 1148 00:51:26,420 --> 00:51:23,040 Angeles who had communicated with a 1149 00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:26,430 friend of his he said who spoke to him 1150 00:51:32,030 --> 00:51:28,610 through this recorder during this skull 1151 00:51:36,890 --> 00:51:32,040 session and he was convinced that it was 1152 00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:36,900 his friend who had just not too long 1153 00:51:42,410 --> 00:51:39,570 before been killed in a car accident so 1154 00:51:45,070 --> 00:51:42,420 is that sort of how you did it with the 1155 00:51:49,430 --> 00:51:45,080 with the digital recorder in the this 1156 00:51:53,090 --> 00:51:49,440 beki phenomena yeah it's something about 1157 00:51:55,100 --> 00:51:53,100 if someone after that as far as what's 1158 00:51:57,740 --> 00:51:55,110 happened as far as what happened to the 1159 00:51:59,930 --> 00:51:57,750 skull experiment is concerned the bit 1160 00:52:02,780 --> 00:51:59,940 you leave a note is that they had to 1161 00:52:05,210 --> 00:52:02,790 shut it down because the other side told 1162 00:52:07,700 --> 00:52:05,220 them to shut it down because it was 1163 00:52:08,750 --> 00:52:07,710 getting too dangerous for them not for 1164 00:52:11,450 --> 00:52:08,760 the other side but was getting too 1165 00:52:13,550 --> 00:52:11,460 dangerous for them because apparently 1166 00:52:15,020 --> 00:52:13,560 and again the 1167 00:52:16,610 --> 00:52:15,030 we were talking with grant and Jane 1168 00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:16,620 Solomon who were people who wrote the 1169 00:52:22,580 --> 00:52:20,400 school experiment yes yeah yeah the 1170 00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:22,590 thing is that there was so much 1171 00:52:26,900 --> 00:52:25,410 information coming to them in fact they 1172 00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:26,910 were actually given instructions and a 1173 00:52:31,730 --> 00:52:29,130 bill to sell electronic device to aid 1174 00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:31,740 the communication system is that there 1175 00:52:35,390 --> 00:52:33,930 was so much information getting to them 1176 00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:35,400 that other things were starting to take 1177 00:52:41,150 --> 00:52:37,730 an interest because as well as they 1178 00:52:43,630 --> 00:52:41,160 mentioned that that contains well that 1179 00:52:45,890 --> 00:52:43,640 the entities that the school group and 1180 00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:45,900 Robin Froy was the guy that he was the 1181 00:52:51,020 --> 00:52:49,170 facilitator for that role employee yeah 1182 00:52:52,070 --> 00:52:51,030 the what was actually going on there was 1183 00:52:54,410 --> 00:52:52,080 the the world getting so much 1184 00:52:56,180 --> 00:52:54,420 information that there was too much 1185 00:52:58,430 --> 00:52:56,190 information getting brought across and 1186 00:53:00,590 --> 00:52:58,440 that that they mentioned that they were 1187 00:53:02,930 --> 00:53:00,600 in communication with was also with 1188 00:53:04,670 --> 00:53:02,940 there were other dimensions that a whole 1189 00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:04,680 series of them okay 1190 00:53:11,150 --> 00:53:07,440 each inhabited by a different set of 1191 00:53:12,770 --> 00:53:11,160 entities and it was the other entities 1192 00:53:14,930 --> 00:53:12,780 that didn't like what was going on and 1193 00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:14,940 they were actually threatening the 1194 00:53:19,010 --> 00:53:17,010 entities that the school group was in 1195 00:53:20,540 --> 00:53:19,020 contact with to stop telling what there 1196 00:53:21,980 --> 00:53:20,550 was to stop seeing what they were saying 1197 00:53:23,090 --> 00:53:21,990 basically and shut don't give in 1198 00:53:25,340 --> 00:53:23,100 occasions because it was getting too 1199 00:53:26,930 --> 00:53:25,350 dangerous all around so they had to shut 1200 00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:26,940 down the school experiment because they 1201 00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:29,610 were told to do so but as far as we're 1202 00:53:35,330 --> 00:53:32,130 concerned with the fenomena project we 1203 00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:35,340 are starting with school left off and we 1204 00:53:39,890 --> 00:53:37,290 are we are trying to bring proof 1205 00:53:42,140 --> 00:53:39,900 positive that cannot be debunked that 1206 00:53:45,230 --> 00:53:42,150 cannot be said the one said though there 1207 00:53:47,810 --> 00:53:45,240 is a set of phenomena and existence no 1208 00:53:50,750 --> 00:53:47,820 that is real they can be communicated 1209 00:53:52,700 --> 00:53:50,760 with and and the whole thing is that 1210 00:53:55,610 --> 00:53:52,710 there is real and it's demonstrable and 1211 00:53:57,590 --> 00:53:55,620 I think it brings a lot of comfort it 1212 00:53:59,540 --> 00:53:57,600 brings comfort to us because we know 1213 00:54:02,660 --> 00:53:59,550 that this is not at the end that we do 1214 00:54:06,140 --> 00:54:02,670 go and after this absolutely that's 1215 00:54:07,090 --> 00:54:06,150 amazing how exciting now so this work is 1216 00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:07,100 ongoing 1217 00:54:16,250 --> 00:54:13,410 right now and now is this what your next 1218 00:54:19,070 --> 00:54:16,260 book is going to be about there's good 1219 00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:19,080 it's going to be about the physics of 1220 00:54:22,820 --> 00:54:21,210 the paranormal as we see it there's a 1221 00:54:25,210 --> 00:54:22,830 chapter devoted to the physics the 1222 00:54:27,290 --> 00:54:25,220 paranormal because there are certain 1223 00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:27,300 aspects of the paranormal 1224 00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:28,890 that with the physics involved that 1225 00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:31,290 great staggering well most can be 1226 00:54:34,610 --> 00:54:33,090 talking about individual cases that that 1227 00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:34,620 Don and Steve had been involved with 1228 00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:36,480 where Becky has actually actively helped 1229 00:54:40,940 --> 00:54:38,640 them especially the case in Seattle who 1230 00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:40,950 had done was actually attacked by demons 1231 00:54:46,010 --> 00:54:43,680 it just who say the tone of Bothell 1232 00:54:49,100 --> 00:54:46,020 witches as a as a suburb of Seattle and 1233 00:54:52,220 --> 00:54:49,110 he was actually challenged by demons to 1234 00:54:54,410 --> 00:54:52,230 come to their side that he should not be 1235 00:54:55,820 --> 00:54:54,420 on this side he should be with them he 1236 00:54:57,500 --> 00:54:55,830 should throw the law and with them and 1237 00:54:59,390 --> 00:54:57,510 over and they get quite nasty for a 1238 00:55:01,310 --> 00:54:59,400 while and Steve stuff that that he's 1239 00:55:04,250 --> 00:55:01,320 Steve told doe and he said look he said 1240 00:55:06,980 --> 00:55:04,260 you better stop this or I'm over here he 1241 00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:06,990 was standing 20 feet away and Dawn was 1242 00:55:11,510 --> 00:55:08,370 having to struggle where were these 1243 00:55:12,890 --> 00:55:11,520 things where and if Steve could hear it 1244 00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:12,900 was 20 feet away he could hear the 1245 00:55:15,830 --> 00:55:14,370 answers coming through the recorder that 1246 00:55:17,630 --> 00:55:15,840 don't had nice and there was like clear 1247 00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:17,640 and these things were threatened and 1248 00:55:23,570 --> 00:55:21,090 done and all the rest of it so it can 1249 00:55:26,570 --> 00:55:23,580 get pretty hairy and it was pretty clear 1250 00:55:29,900 --> 00:55:26,580 that there is a constant struggle going 1251 00:55:32,090 --> 00:55:29,910 on between these entities a possession 1252 00:55:33,890 --> 00:55:32,100 of us if you like but we are trying to 1253 00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:33,900 prove conclusively that this dimension 1254 00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:36,240 is out there and it can be proved and 1255 00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:38,130 demonstrated and we're quite happy to 1256 00:55:46,850 --> 00:55:42,650 defend against all comers wow that is 1257 00:55:48,110 --> 00:55:46,860 amazing and a little bit scary gosh I 1258 00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:48,120 think this is a good time to take a 1259 00:55:50,240 --> 00:55:49,530 quick break and let me have a think 1260 00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:50,250 about that 1261 00:55:54,950 --> 00:55:53,280 when we come back more with Brian J 1262 00:55:59,870 --> 00:55:54,960 Allen and scary stuff 1263 00:56:00,620 --> 00:55:59,880 we'll be right back welcome back to 1264 00:56:02,930 --> 00:56:00,630 night vision 1265 00:56:05,690 --> 00:56:02,940 I'm your host Renee Barnett with me is 1266 00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:05,700 Brian J Allen he's just been telling me 1267 00:56:10,610 --> 00:56:08,010 about the phenomena project in there I 1268 00:56:12,500 --> 00:56:10,620 tell you I'm almost speechless it was 1269 00:56:17,090 --> 00:56:12,510 just not a good idea not a good thing to 1270 00:56:20,690 --> 00:56:17,100 be when you're doing radio you know very 1271 00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:20,700 very strange now III got a couple 1272 00:56:27,830 --> 00:56:24,960 questions for you about that about two 1273 00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:27,840 recordings now you said this entity 1274 00:56:35,030 --> 00:56:32,370 identified itself as a female person of 1275 00:56:38,210 --> 00:56:35,040 Becky Michaels which you merely now it's 1276 00:56:40,580 --> 00:56:38,220 just a nom de plume something that they 1277 00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:40,590 just used to me it almost seems 1278 00:56:44,570 --> 00:56:43,050 maybe they chose a woman because it 1279 00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:44,580 might be less threatening and you say 1280 00:56:50,420 --> 00:56:48,210 Alma mom who you know I died in an 1281 00:56:54,650 --> 00:56:50,430 accident with my children it's kind of a 1282 00:56:56,330 --> 00:56:54,660 sympathetic figure so maybe you know you 1283 00:56:58,730 --> 00:56:56,340 might be more likely to talk to someone 1284 00:57:00,740 --> 00:56:58,740 like that then if they obviously 1285 00:57:05,240 --> 00:57:00,750 identify themselves as sue they really 1286 00:57:07,430 --> 00:57:05,250 are but when you heard the boys okay I 1287 00:57:10,100 --> 00:57:07,440 guess the Becky Michaels voice was a was 1288 00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:10,110 a feminine voice yo yes it was indeed 1289 00:57:14,060 --> 00:57:11,760 yeah they said there's a feminine voice 1290 00:57:16,340 --> 00:57:14,070 and in fact the way it's been described 1291 00:57:19,730 --> 00:57:16,350 to me when Steve Mira had the voice for 1292 00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:19,740 the first time he said the power in this 1293 00:57:25,910 --> 00:57:21,570 voice literally nearly knocked him off 1294 00:57:28,430 --> 00:57:25,920 his feet it was this like a wave of 1295 00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:28,440 emotion him very very strange ahead 1296 00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:31,170 almost they said it was Steve has been 1297 00:57:34,970 --> 00:57:32,970 in contact with poltergeist all sorts of 1298 00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:34,980 stuff and for many many years so this is 1299 00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:37,170 nothing new to but the impact of this 1300 00:57:40,850 --> 00:57:38,880 voice talking to him it wasn't the fact 1301 00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:40,860 it was a female voice of what it said it 1302 00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:44,130 was the the emotional impact of the 1303 00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:46,650 voice nearly knocked open the Florian a 1304 00:57:51,470 --> 00:57:48,690 she said a couple of things that to hear 1305 00:57:54,260 --> 00:57:51,480 this thing talk to you as the voice is 1306 00:57:56,780 --> 00:57:54,270 indescribably beautiful it's powerful 1307 00:57:58,790 --> 00:57:56,790 and encouraged us and mentioned motion 1308 00:58:00,680 --> 00:57:58,800 with it and and that's the best way you 1309 00:58:03,740 --> 00:58:00,690 could describe it but yeah wherever this 1310 00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:03,750 thing is it's choosing to portray 1311 00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:05,370 yourself as you suggest and the most 1312 00:58:11,300 --> 00:58:07,850 sympathetic Amano's as I can I guess 1313 00:58:12,980 --> 00:58:11,310 mm-hmm now you said that you know of 1314 00:58:15,230 --> 00:58:12,990 course there was a lot of things that 1315 00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:15,240 you know when you would ask it would say 1316 00:58:18,260 --> 00:58:17,040 you're not ready to hear this or we're 1317 00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:18,270 not going to mention this and they'll 1318 00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:20,610 shut you down if you know yeah if 1319 00:58:24,650 --> 00:58:23,130 they're saying too much but what were 1320 00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:24,660 some of the things that they were 1321 00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:29,610 telling you or we're telling dawn we're 1322 00:58:35,990 --> 00:58:31,530 gonna of information were they sharing 1323 00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:36,000 okay well basically it's when you start 1324 00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:39,090 asking too many pointed questions about 1325 00:58:45,350 --> 00:58:43,200 the nature of their reality because one 1326 00:58:46,460 --> 00:58:45,360 of the things that there's Becky and I'm 1327 00:58:49,130 --> 00:58:46,470 good I'm going to keep using the word 1328 00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:49,140 Becky sure what do you think one of the 1329 00:58:54,350 --> 00:58:53,250 things that I actually said is that not 1330 00:58:57,170 --> 00:58:54,360 everyone gets 1331 00:58:59,660 --> 00:58:57,180 to the other side okay the Webley past 1332 00:59:01,580 --> 00:58:59,670 when we die not everyone gets to the 1333 00:59:03,650 --> 00:59:01,590 other side no this is all in the book 1334 00:59:07,010 --> 00:59:03,660 and this is what the statement is in the 1335 00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:07,020 book no Steve actually mentioned this I 1336 00:59:10,730 --> 00:59:08,730 think I wrote an article and then 1337 00:59:12,590 --> 00:59:10,740 there's Steve Mira the guy is the guy's 1338 00:59:14,660 --> 00:59:12,600 name you know this article and some 1339 00:59:17,150 --> 00:59:14,670 cloudship and I think it was a priest 1340 00:59:19,310 --> 00:59:17,160 Olga hold with information and he 1341 00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:19,320 contacted Steve he said you shouldn't be 1342 00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:20,970 telling people this that not everyone 1343 00:59:26,750 --> 00:59:23,610 makes it almost as if he knows that 1344 00:59:28,550 --> 00:59:26,760 everyone doesn't make it now this of 1345 00:59:29,210 --> 00:59:28,560 course this of course leads to other 1346 00:59:31,820 --> 00:59:29,220 questions 1347 00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:31,830 who doesn't make it quite animate it and 1348 00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:34,050 what becomes of them but but this is the 1349 00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:35,490 sort of questions that were missed our 1350 00:59:39,890 --> 00:59:37,530 probe in this was it shut down we just 1351 00:59:42,980 --> 00:59:39,900 doing it with Olga answers for this so 1352 00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:42,990 it's very frustrating and as things that 1353 00:59:46,790 --> 00:59:44,730 I think we need to know but what are the 1354 00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:46,800 things that did ask and and one of the 1355 00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:48,480 conversations I've had with us what was 1356 00:59:55,010 --> 00:59:52,250 Becky is that them I said is there any 1357 00:59:59,090 --> 00:59:55,020 connection between yourself and the 1358 01:00:00,830 --> 00:59:59,100 Watchers and the Nephilim and entities 1359 01:00:04,700 --> 01:00:00,840 like that and the answer that came back 1360 01:00:07,370 --> 01:00:04,710 was again very very enigmatic the answer 1361 01:00:10,190 --> 01:00:07,380 to go by it was I'm on the right lanes 1362 01:00:12,230 --> 01:00:10,200 and that was it there was no more 1363 01:00:14,690 --> 01:00:12,240 clarification and that there seriously 1364 01:00:16,370 --> 01:00:14,700 some connect was the waters the Nephilim 1365 01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:16,380 you know that the interbreeding between 1366 01:00:20,870 --> 01:00:18,930 there between these entities these these 1367 01:00:23,540 --> 01:00:20,880 entities from having a human woman that 1368 01:00:26,390 --> 01:00:23,550 produced beings in this world who were 1369 01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:26,400 the Nephilim and I was on the right 1370 01:00:30,890 --> 01:00:29,130 lanes but exactly what that means there 1371 01:00:34,130 --> 01:00:30,900 is no clarification we just don't know 1372 01:00:36,550 --> 01:00:34,140 mm-hmm you mentioned that it seems that 1373 01:00:39,470 --> 01:00:36,560 there's somewhat appreciate or 1374 01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:39,480 predictive about yeah some of the things 1375 01:00:47,270 --> 01:00:42,170 can you give an example of that 1376 01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:47,280 well for example about six months before 1377 01:00:53,150 --> 01:00:49,680 they went to visit Seattle in the USA 1378 01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:53,160 and it was actually okay I'll give you a 1379 01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:54,690 better background to this case they were 1380 01:01:00,140 --> 01:00:56,610 it was a guy called Keith Keith Linda 1381 01:01:02,420 --> 01:01:00,150 and if you ever look up I think oh if 1382 01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:02,430 you ever google demons and Seattle 1383 01:01:06,530 --> 01:01:04,170 demons and Seattle will bring up 1384 01:01:07,730 --> 01:01:06,540 information about the case it was good 1385 01:01:09,260 --> 01:01:07,740 the Ghost Adventures 1386 01:01:11,630 --> 01:01:09,270 I think you probably know them zak 1387 01:01:13,940 --> 01:01:11,640 bagans and these guys they all went 1388 01:01:15,590 --> 01:01:13,950 along yet they went along to the Seattle 1389 01:01:17,540 --> 01:01:15,600 house that there's this Harrison and 1390 01:01:20,180 --> 01:01:17,550 Bertha landed which is just a suburb of 1391 01:01:21,770 --> 01:01:20,190 Seattle they went along investigated the 1392 01:01:25,340 --> 01:01:21,780 case said there was nothing there and 1393 01:01:27,770 --> 01:01:25,350 left now the thing is there was so much 1394 01:01:29,450 --> 01:01:27,780 evidence that go be careful what I'm 1395 01:01:31,790 --> 01:01:29,460 saying here but the pier there was so 1396 01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:31,800 much evidence that they ignored but 1397 01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:35,610 eventually this entity Becky said that 1398 01:01:40,550 --> 01:01:37,530 the six was too foolish she just said to 1399 01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:40,560 dawn you're going to Seattle I'm just 1400 01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:42,570 this and they said what and that was it 1401 01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:47,280 and he did they went to Seattle mmm 1402 01:01:53,150 --> 01:01:50,090 he had no idea at that time that he was 1403 01:01:54,980 --> 01:01:53,160 going to be going to Seattle nope no not 1404 01:01:57,470 --> 01:01:54,990 a clue they had no intention to go into 1405 01:01:59,750 --> 01:01:57,480 America that no vote it and it's up they 1406 01:02:02,840 --> 01:01:59,760 were actually asked to go to Seattle and 1407 01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:02,850 yeah yeah the both have been told that 1408 01:02:06,050 --> 01:02:04,890 they're going to Germany and they've 1409 01:02:08,150 --> 01:02:06,060 been there's nothing that they know 1410 01:02:09,650 --> 01:02:08,160 about that they are going to Germany but 1411 01:02:11,780 --> 01:02:09,660 she's told them they're going to Germany 1412 01:02:13,430 --> 01:02:11,790 and she's also predicted a couple of 1413 01:02:15,170 --> 01:02:13,440 times things that were going to happen 1414 01:02:17,180 --> 01:02:15,180 and the half happened I can't remember 1415 01:02:18,740 --> 01:02:17,190 them precisely or fun but there's been 1416 01:02:20,330 --> 01:02:18,750 two or three things have been told to 1417 01:02:22,340 --> 01:02:20,340 them that you're gonna do this you're 1418 01:02:24,349 --> 01:02:22,350 going to be doing that and they did so I 1419 01:02:26,060 --> 01:02:24,359 when I grew up I want to make a pizza 1420 01:02:28,580 --> 01:02:26,070 with the most cheese and the most 1421 01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:28,590 pepperoni at the nation's best price 1422 01:02:34,099 --> 01:02:31,410 six dollars it's gonna be the best pizza 1423 01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:34,109 ever started it's been done introducing 1424 01:02:37,670 --> 01:02:35,730 the new Little Caesars extra most 1425 01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:37,680 bestest pizza a large pizza with the 1426 01:02:43,220 --> 01:02:39,330 most cheese and the most pepperoni at 1427 01:02:45,050 --> 01:02:43,230 the nation's best price this much cheese 1428 01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:45,060 and pepperoni is what dreams are made of 1429 01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:46,770 come get a large hot and ready extra 1430 01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:48,450 most bestest pizza for just six bucks 1431 01:02:52,820 --> 01:02:50,730 only at Little Caesars Pizza Pizza and 1432 01:02:55,130 --> 01:02:52,830 participating locations plus tax 1433 01:02:58,070 --> 01:02:55,140 these entities are creating the 1434 01:02:59,810 --> 01:02:58,080 situation by which this happens in other 1435 01:03:02,180 --> 01:02:59,820 words without editing reality if you 1436 01:03:03,770 --> 01:03:02,190 like or they're able to see that little 1437 01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:03,780 bit into the future to know this is what 1438 01:03:07,490 --> 01:03:06,000 is going to happen so it's very 1439 01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:07,500 difficult to work out what like what 1440 01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:08,850 were actually dealing with here but 1441 01:03:12,500 --> 01:03:11,250 whoever is we're dealing with it seems 1442 01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:12,510 to know what we're all about 1443 01:03:16,460 --> 01:03:14,130 and what's actually happening on our 1444 01:03:17,870 --> 01:03:16,470 side the reality whereas we seem to know 1445 01:03:19,580 --> 01:03:17,880 very little bit what's happening and 1446 01:03:21,170 --> 01:03:19,590 there's a new reality and it makes it 1447 01:03:23,029 --> 01:03:21,180 very frustrating but 1448 01:03:25,849 --> 01:03:23,039 I've tried to deal with a lot of this in 1449 01:03:27,859 --> 01:03:25,859 the book especially in the physics of 1450 01:03:30,230 --> 01:03:27,869 the paranormal and a lot of this stuff 1451 01:03:32,630 --> 01:03:30,240 but the problem is a lot of what's in 1452 01:03:34,339 --> 01:03:32,640 the book is a bit speculative but we 1453 01:03:35,420 --> 01:03:34,349 have no choice other than to speculate 1454 01:03:38,180 --> 01:03:35,430 because we just don't know for sure 1455 01:03:40,789 --> 01:03:38,190 because anyone that tells me that they 1456 01:03:43,039 --> 01:03:40,799 know the answer to always I tell anyone 1457 01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:43,049 that tells me I run I wish I don't know 1458 01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:45,450 where screaming really showing from yeah 1459 01:03:49,010 --> 01:03:47,250 because they don't know I mean anybody 1460 01:03:51,319 --> 01:03:49,020 who says they do know they don't know 1461 01:03:54,079 --> 01:03:51,329 because I find it on a daily basis that 1462 01:03:56,630 --> 01:03:54,089 don't know effective bullet don't know 1463 01:03:57,559 --> 01:03:56,640 but I try I try and find out but it's 1464 01:04:04,099 --> 01:03:57,569 very very difficult 1465 01:04:06,890 --> 01:04:04,109 oh gosh now did did you find any of the 1466 01:04:10,279 --> 01:04:06,900 information that you were getting from 1467 01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:10,289 this entity or others via that same 1468 01:04:19,220 --> 01:04:16,010 project to be instructional or helpful 1469 01:04:21,230 --> 01:04:19,230 yeah well don't sell my house because 1470 01:04:24,710 --> 01:04:21,240 these entities by the sounds of things 1471 01:04:25,940 --> 01:04:24,720 have actually saved them from from 1472 01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:25,950 things happening to them 1473 01:04:31,099 --> 01:04:29,010 he's actually had encountered encounters 1474 01:04:33,620 --> 01:04:31,109 what worked out well I spoke about these 1475 01:04:36,069 --> 01:04:33,630 this demonic contact they had where they 1476 01:04:38,839 --> 01:04:36,079 were elwood over and both Olivia Seattle 1477 01:04:41,210 --> 01:04:38,849 this this court that had these demons 1478 01:04:43,490 --> 01:04:41,220 and apparently these entities is there 1479 01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:43,500 is an embed league with or read contact 1480 01:04:48,799 --> 01:04:46,170 was actively help them and try and save 1481 01:04:51,140 --> 01:04:48,809 them from any damage that's caused but 1482 01:04:53,930 --> 01:04:51,150 for all that I have kept telling them be 1483 01:04:56,900 --> 01:04:53,940 very very careful because if these 1484 01:05:00,500 --> 01:04:56,910 things are not what they seem to be if 1485 01:05:03,529 --> 01:05:00,510 they are themselves demonic and at the 1486 01:05:06,740 --> 01:05:03,539 moment part of a higher hierarchy of 1487 01:05:08,779 --> 01:05:06,750 demons then they would make the ones who 1488 01:05:11,630 --> 01:05:08,789 are below them move away so they would 1489 01:05:13,130 --> 01:05:11,640 accept a method of control over them so 1490 01:05:16,220 --> 01:05:13,140 I keep telling them that these things 1491 01:05:18,170 --> 01:05:16,230 have infinite patience they're the 1492 01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:18,180 greatest Liars in the world that they 1493 01:05:23,990 --> 01:05:20,130 will do anything they have to do to 1494 01:05:25,970 --> 01:05:24,000 instigate him and this appears to me he 1495 01:05:28,010 --> 01:05:25,980 said these things that they're negative 1496 01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:28,020 entities turn up in his home saying they 1497 01:05:30,829 --> 01:05:29,730 know who is that coming to get them 1498 01:05:33,049 --> 01:05:30,839 they're going to get him and all the 1499 01:05:34,430 --> 01:05:33,059 rest but they can wait and they can get 1500 01:05:34,930 --> 01:05:34,440 him and this Becky 1501 01:05:37,030 --> 01:05:34,940 always 1502 01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:37,040 to turn up and get rid of them for them 1503 01:05:42,339 --> 01:05:40,250 so it's a very strange relationship like 1504 01:05:43,839 --> 01:05:42,349 I say it's very mysterious I don't know 1505 01:05:46,210 --> 01:05:43,849 what the answers are and I don't pretend 1506 01:05:49,569 --> 01:05:46,220 that I do but all I can do is try and 1507 01:05:51,309 --> 01:05:49,579 record the facts as I see them as I've 1508 01:05:54,460 --> 01:05:51,319 presented to me and give them some 1509 01:05:57,339 --> 01:05:54,470 context and try and get the information 1510 01:05:59,710 --> 01:05:57,349 out there but what all I can give us 1511 01:06:01,240 --> 01:05:59,720 information but what I can't give you is 1512 01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:01,250 definitive answers because they don't 1513 01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:02,810 think there are any and we wouldn't know 1514 01:06:06,849 --> 01:06:04,250 that until we're failing the faster the 1515 01:06:08,890 --> 01:06:06,859 other side perhaps who may fade out then 1516 01:06:10,900 --> 01:06:08,900 and perhaps even not then there were the 1517 01:06:13,510 --> 01:06:10,910 other levels that we have to go through 1518 01:06:16,059 --> 01:06:13,520 on the other side Wow 1519 01:06:21,849 --> 01:06:16,069 now how long had this been going on with 1520 01:06:24,270 --> 01:06:21,859 Dawn when he contacted you I guess three 1521 01:06:26,700 --> 01:06:24,280 or four years before he contacted me 1522 01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:26,710 this wasn't a recent thing 1523 01:06:34,089 --> 01:06:29,690 apparently this entity Becky turned up 1524 01:06:35,770 --> 01:06:34,099 at the house that it was in it was 1525 01:06:37,870 --> 01:06:35,780 investigating a case and you still don't 1526 01:06:41,109 --> 01:06:37,880 have a paranormal group investigation 1527 01:06:43,300 --> 01:06:41,119 group and and she turned up he actually 1528 01:06:44,829 --> 01:06:43,310 asked could you raise the temperature in 1529 01:06:46,630 --> 01:06:44,839 this room or drop the temperature in 1530 01:06:48,339 --> 01:06:46,640 this room and the temperature dropped 1531 01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:48,349 could you raise it again and it came up 1532 01:06:52,359 --> 01:06:49,970 again I was getting measured and 1533 01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:52,369 instrumentation and this entity 1534 01:06:57,640 --> 01:06:54,890 introduced herself as Becky and it's 1535 01:07:00,190 --> 01:06:57,650 been with them ever since and as always 1536 01:07:04,050 --> 01:07:00,200 with them all the time and lakes flowers 1537 01:07:06,579 --> 01:07:04,060 believe I'm not a buyers at flowers and 1538 01:07:07,870 --> 01:07:06,589 appreciate news and those the flowers 1539 01:07:09,099 --> 01:07:07,880 have been bought and it tells them and 1540 01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:09,109 knows the flowers have been bought and 1541 01:07:14,410 --> 01:07:12,170 appreciates it and as really very it's a 1542 01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:14,420 very strange relationship because it 1543 01:07:17,339 --> 01:07:16,730 gives all the indications of being 1544 01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:17,349 female 1545 01:07:25,900 --> 01:07:23,810 who knows it could be it could be just a 1546 01:07:28,390 --> 01:07:25,910 front let's put it on we just don't know 1547 01:07:30,579 --> 01:07:28,400 all the know was that dawn is quite 1548 01:07:32,829 --> 01:07:30,589 happy with the situation it's quick it's 1549 01:07:34,930 --> 01:07:32,839 going to ease and comfortable with the 1550 01:07:37,660 --> 01:07:34,940 situation but I'm not sure if I would be 1551 01:07:39,609 --> 01:07:37,670 but nevertheless it's nothing to do with 1552 01:07:41,829 --> 01:07:39,619 me all I can do is try and record the 1553 01:07:44,230 --> 01:07:41,839 events as they occur and get them out 1554 01:07:46,260 --> 01:07:44,240 there for the public to eventually make 1555 01:07:47,700 --> 01:07:46,270 judgment upon and decide for themselves 1556 01:07:50,910 --> 01:07:47,710 I'm gay 1557 01:07:55,020 --> 01:07:50,920 think don is not married yes he is 1558 01:07:58,980 --> 01:07:55,030 oh my gosh does his wife like the 1559 01:08:00,750 --> 01:07:58,990 situation of us the situation of us I've 1560 01:08:03,329 --> 01:08:00,760 asked this myself and apparently his 1561 01:08:05,430 --> 01:08:03,339 wife I wouldn't either but his wife's 1562 01:08:06,990 --> 01:08:05,440 aware of it and I think she just goes 1563 01:08:11,130 --> 01:08:07,000 with it because I don't think she sees 1564 01:08:14,609 --> 01:08:11,140 this thing as a threat oh my goodness 1565 01:08:15,870 --> 01:08:14,619 that is very very weird now so I'm 1566 01:08:16,860 --> 01:08:15,880 assuming that there are a lot of 1567 01:08:20,729 --> 01:08:16,870 recordings 1568 01:08:23,450 --> 01:08:20,739 oh yeah and these voices yes that uh 1569 01:08:25,950 --> 01:08:23,460 there's quite a low in Lane as well oh 1570 01:08:29,010 --> 01:08:25,960 my goodness I'd love to hear some 1571 01:08:31,410 --> 01:08:29,020 sometime I wonder if Don would share any 1572 01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:31,420 of those if he were to come on this show 1573 01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:35,170 I think you probably would and fight the 1574 01:08:40,289 --> 01:08:37,330 probably the best person to ask about 1575 01:08:41,910 --> 01:08:40,299 this would be Steve Mira Steve and pure 1576 01:08:43,740 --> 01:08:41,920 would come on your show as well because 1577 01:08:46,769 --> 01:08:43,750 Steve is better versed and the 1578 01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:46,779 parapsychological say two things than I 1579 01:08:50,010 --> 01:08:48,130 am 1580 01:08:52,079 --> 01:08:50,020 so he'd be able to give you a give me an 1581 01:08:53,940 --> 01:08:52,089 ISIL I've had some of these recordings 1582 01:08:56,610 --> 01:08:53,950 that were made in Seattle sorry in 1583 01:08:59,490 --> 01:08:56,620 Bothell and their answers clear as I'm 1584 01:09:01,729 --> 01:08:59,500 talking to you as almost as if there was 1585 01:09:04,050 --> 01:09:01,739 two things having a conversation about 1586 01:09:06,209 --> 01:09:04,060 nothing to do with the guys were just 1587 01:09:08,070 --> 01:09:06,219 picking this up and it was so strange 1588 01:09:10,650 --> 01:09:08,080 because it doesn't seem to bear any 1589 01:09:12,450 --> 01:09:10,660 relationship to what was going on it was 1590 01:09:15,390 --> 01:09:12,460 just two entities having a conversation 1591 01:09:17,910 --> 01:09:15,400 and it was clear it wasn't the fire 1592 01:09:19,860 --> 01:09:17,920 service it wasn't ambulance it wasn't 1593 01:09:23,340 --> 01:09:19,870 emergency services or the police this 1594 01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:23,350 was something I you know just was not 1595 01:09:27,990 --> 01:09:26,290 related to this time Idina and this time 1596 01:09:30,990 --> 01:09:28,000 it was just two entities having a 1597 01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:31,000 conversation every something else it was 1598 01:09:34,950 --> 01:09:33,250 just so strange and I know that Steve 1599 01:09:36,780 --> 01:09:34,960 has this could that has this recording 1600 01:09:38,910 --> 01:09:36,790 in fact he sometimes uses their 1601 01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:38,920 presentations it gives and it's quite as 1602 01:09:42,329 --> 01:09:40,810 well worth hearing so I could put you in 1603 01:09:45,450 --> 01:09:42,339 contact with Steve as well if you wish 1604 01:09:47,340 --> 01:09:45,460 oh absolutely that would be fabulous I'd 1605 01:09:49,050 --> 01:09:47,350 love to keep track of what's going on 1606 01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:49,060 with the project and then you know 1607 01:09:53,870 --> 01:09:51,370 obviously the book that's going to be 1608 01:09:57,860 --> 01:09:53,880 coming forward out of it when do you 1609 01:10:00,590 --> 01:09:57,870 think that book will be published 1610 01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:00,600 hopefully sometime this year 1611 01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:03,090 oh oh yeah yeah it should bear it this 1612 01:10:08,180 --> 01:10:05,370 year something it's with an outfit 1613 01:10:09,650 --> 01:10:08,190 called quite cruel publishing and it's a 1614 01:10:12,500 --> 01:10:09,660 guy called John beat Chad who actually 1615 01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:12,510 runs that and the John John's are pretty 1616 01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:14,370 open-minded guy and he's Piero some 1617 01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:16,050 pretty good stuff as well and in the 1618 01:10:20,420 --> 01:10:18,930 course of his publications so uh this 1619 01:10:22,970 --> 01:10:20,430 was worth white crow just know that 1620 01:10:24,350 --> 01:10:22,980 evaluating that the vast to see the 1621 01:10:26,750 --> 01:10:24,360 whole manuscripts I set the whole 1622 01:10:28,070 --> 01:10:26,760 manuscript to them or emailed it to them 1623 01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:28,080 and that having a look at that just know 1624 01:10:33,020 --> 01:10:30,210 so hopefully all being well the book 1625 01:10:37,630 --> 01:10:33,030 should vote later this year that's just 1626 01:10:40,820 --> 01:10:37,640 amazing that is so fantastic well now 1627 01:10:43,490 --> 01:10:40,830 once this book is done are you is that 1628 01:10:48,110 --> 01:10:43,500 the end of your connection to the 1629 01:10:51,740 --> 01:10:48,120 project what no no because I said the 1630 01:10:54,650 --> 01:10:51,750 project is biased volume what is it it's 1631 01:10:57,550 --> 01:10:54,660 the final project the volume 1 so what 1632 01:11:00,680 --> 01:10:57,560 we'll keep doing is amassing information 1633 01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:00,690 writing up so it's an ongoing project 1634 01:11:07,190 --> 01:11:04,410 yeah and so if you don't mind me asking 1635 01:11:11,570 --> 01:11:07,200 is this in Scotland where dawn is 1636 01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:11,580 located is it actually is is located in 1637 01:11:19,010 --> 01:11:15,090 a city called Westar which is in the 1638 01:11:21,350 --> 01:11:19,020 Midlands of England so well yes oh don't 1639 01:11:23,150 --> 01:11:21,360 Steve is it is in Manchester of dorms 1640 01:11:27,140 --> 01:11:23,160 and Western and I'm stuck up here in 1641 01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:27,150 Scotland so the actual the logistics of 1642 01:11:30,740 --> 01:11:29,010 getting together a very difficult what 1643 01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:30,750 we've got days wouldn't make a point if 1644 01:11:35,900 --> 01:11:32,010 we're going if we're going to get 1645 01:11:37,700 --> 01:11:35,910 together - you get to make it but mostly 1646 01:11:40,310 --> 01:11:37,710 we just don't be telephone or skype or 1647 01:11:45,050 --> 01:11:40,320 whoever so what laughter is we're in the 1648 01:11:47,450 --> 01:11:45,060 Midlands Leicester yeah yeah this is 1649 01:11:48,860 --> 01:11:47,460 Taylor lash that it's so we're and in 1650 01:11:49,550 --> 01:11:48,870 the middle of the figments the best I 1651 01:11:52,820 --> 01:11:49,560 can do 1652 01:12:02,960 --> 01:11:52,830 yeah yeah or like Chester is we would 1653 01:12:07,190 --> 01:12:02,970 call it here in the United States yeah 1654 01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:07,200 how exciting is this now is this sort of 1655 01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:10,370 your first exposure to this type of 1656 01:12:17,180 --> 01:12:14,010 electronic voice phenomena 1657 01:12:19,729 --> 01:12:17,190 as clear as this year I mean I've been 1658 01:12:24,649 --> 01:12:19,739 well aware of EVPs arrow you know for 1659 01:12:26,750 --> 01:12:24,659 flow that long time but not as clear as 1660 01:12:29,509 --> 01:12:26,760 this this is the first time I've helped 1661 01:12:31,069 --> 01:12:29,519 EVPs that were that clear you didn't 1662 01:12:33,589 --> 01:12:31,079 have to be told what they were saying 1663 01:12:36,049 --> 01:12:33,599 because when I might come across EVPs 1664 01:12:38,810 --> 01:12:36,059 like on TV shows and stuff with a run 1665 01:12:40,819 --> 01:12:38,820 like like like a text banner underneath 1666 01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:40,829 it sure you what's being said and then 1667 01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:42,210 you can actually there's sometimes even 1668 01:12:45,709 --> 01:12:43,650 then it doesn't really sound like it 1669 01:12:47,359 --> 01:12:45,719 that that's when I started saying wow 1670 01:12:49,339 --> 01:12:47,369 that could mean anything that could be 1671 01:12:52,879 --> 01:12:49,349 anything but the communications we are 1672 01:12:54,919 --> 01:12:52,889 getting are so clear that you know there 1673 01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:54,929 is no mistake there is a voice and it's 1674 01:12:58,879 --> 01:12:56,730 answering you and it's responding to 1675 01:13:00,729 --> 01:12:58,889 specific questions they are just random 1676 01:13:02,990 --> 01:13:00,739 once these are answers to specific 1677 01:13:05,060 --> 01:13:03,000 detailed questions and what you're 1678 01:13:07,729 --> 01:13:05,070 getting back is detailed specific 1679 01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:07,739 answers so yeah that is that two-way 1680 01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:11,610 communication there's a couple things 1681 01:13:15,919 --> 01:13:13,050 going on like you said a two-way 1682 01:13:19,430 --> 01:13:15,929 communication and then you said that at 1683 01:13:22,339 --> 01:13:19,440 one point it just sounded like a 1684 01:13:25,129 --> 01:13:22,349 conversation between you know two people 1685 01:13:28,250 --> 01:13:25,139 or two entities that really have nothing 1686 01:13:31,220 --> 01:13:28,260 to do with your project so it seems like 1687 01:13:33,919 --> 01:13:31,230 there might be it it might be a way of 1688 01:13:37,370 --> 01:13:33,929 sort of like tapping in you know not 1689 01:13:39,500 --> 01:13:37,380 just to you know connect directly with 1690 01:13:42,830 --> 01:13:39,510 an entity but maybe just tapping into 1691 01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:42,840 that particular dimension and sort of 1692 01:13:50,629 --> 01:13:47,090 eavesdropping or overhearing something 1693 01:13:53,450 --> 01:13:50,639 well yes yes that's exactly as almost a 1694 01:13:54,799 --> 01:13:53,460 it was wired up in the conversation but 1695 01:13:56,799 --> 01:13:54,809 something else that comes during the 1696 01:14:00,709 --> 01:13:56,809 same this is the same investigation 1697 01:14:03,649 --> 01:14:00,719 Seattle is that they set up a 1698 01:14:07,279 --> 01:14:03,659 night-vision camera or and Keith Linda's 1699 01:14:08,870 --> 01:14:07,289 house the setup is and fli are if it 1700 01:14:10,729 --> 01:14:08,880 were acts as a foot lifting infrared 1701 01:14:14,740 --> 01:14:10,739 camera a fella they set one of these 1702 01:14:16,669 --> 01:14:14,750 things up and the EVP that came back was 1703 01:14:18,589 --> 01:14:16,679 that this is just so weird 1704 01:14:21,020 --> 01:14:18,599 they just said that became those stairs 1705 01:14:23,109 --> 01:14:21,030 that there's sort of my recorder and the 1706 01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:23,119 voice that came by it was as a camera 1707 01:14:27,830 --> 01:14:26,610 infrared and wow you know these things 1708 01:14:30,689 --> 01:14:27,840 new 1709 01:14:32,250 --> 01:14:30,699 yeah then you as function was and you 1710 01:14:36,089 --> 01:14:32,260 stopped seeing yourself obviously 1711 01:14:37,950 --> 01:14:36,099 technology must develop on their side as 1712 01:14:39,870 --> 01:14:37,960 well because appears that is a 1713 01:14:41,669 --> 01:14:39,880 technology on their side we just don't 1714 01:14:43,379 --> 01:14:41,679 understand what it is because the 1715 01:14:47,100 --> 01:14:43,389 implications of that technology are 1716 01:14:48,870 --> 01:14:47,110 absolutely immense absolutely in fact 1717 01:14:50,220 --> 01:14:48,880 there was something were there was an 1718 01:14:52,020 --> 01:14:50,230 illustration was going to give you this 1719 01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:52,030 all of the kena technology they actually 1720 01:14:55,500 --> 01:14:54,250 have and the other same base their bits 1721 01:14:57,180 --> 01:14:55,510 one of these things when you were given 1722 01:14:57,720 --> 01:14:57,190 that conversation like this it's just 1723 01:15:00,080 --> 01:14:57,730 gone 1724 01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:00,090 but there's there are absolutely 1725 01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:03,130 technologies and use on their side that 1726 01:15:07,709 --> 01:15:06,250 we have no parlor fought on this say 1727 01:15:09,209 --> 01:15:07,719 that there is no analog for the one 1728 01:15:12,060 --> 01:15:09,219 they're saying but there's some really 1729 01:15:14,790 --> 01:15:12,070 strange stuff going on earlier well what 1730 01:15:21,330 --> 01:15:14,800 makes you say what is the evidence of 1731 01:15:24,300 --> 01:15:21,340 technology there the fact that they are 1732 01:15:25,979 --> 01:15:24,310 able to communicate with us the fact 1733 01:15:29,669 --> 01:15:25,989 that they're able to sense that for 1734 01:15:33,810 --> 01:15:29,679 example synthesized voices and put them 1735 01:15:36,870 --> 01:15:33,820 on recovers okay there are inside fire 1736 01:15:38,339 --> 01:15:36,880 any cages are wrapped up in foil every 1737 01:15:40,859 --> 01:15:38,349 kind of shielding method possible 1738 01:15:43,169 --> 01:15:40,869 they're still able to put the voice end 1739 01:15:46,740 --> 01:15:43,179 to that recorder now sometimes these 1740 01:15:49,530 --> 01:15:46,750 voices purport to be relations of the 1741 01:15:53,010 --> 01:15:49,540 person who has been communicated with 1742 01:15:55,470 --> 01:15:53,020 but the voice sounds nothing like the 1743 01:15:57,600 --> 01:15:55,480 person although the communication is 1744 01:15:59,669 --> 01:15:57,610 coming through as only relevant to that 1745 01:16:01,320 --> 01:15:59,679 person only they would know that but 1746 01:16:03,899 --> 01:16:01,330 though this seems to indicate that 1747 01:16:06,959 --> 01:16:03,909 somehow the voices are being synthesized 1748 01:16:09,629 --> 01:16:06,969 on their side and placed across I think 1749 01:16:12,330 --> 01:16:09,639 it's called and then instrumental 1750 01:16:14,939 --> 01:16:12,340 transcommunication as the surf and I of 1751 01:16:17,540 --> 01:16:14,949 ITC it'll call the EVPs now is called 1752 01:16:19,979 --> 01:16:17,550 ITC instrumental transcommunication 1753 01:16:23,129 --> 01:16:19,989 which is probably a better description 1754 01:16:25,979 --> 01:16:23,139 of what it is but they seem to be able 1755 01:16:30,060 --> 01:16:25,989 to actually somehow take them take their 1756 01:16:32,100 --> 01:16:30,070 voice or take the energy of that voice 1757 01:16:33,930 --> 01:16:32,110 and place into the recorder because if 1758 01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:33,940 you think about it how can something 1759 01:16:39,450 --> 01:16:36,210 that has got no material shape or form 1760 01:16:40,919 --> 01:16:39,460 move the air to create the sound waves 1761 01:16:43,529 --> 01:16:40,929 that we communicate 1762 01:16:46,339 --> 01:16:43,539 right but they're able to do this and 1763 01:16:50,939 --> 01:16:46,349 put that voice on a recorder that's an 1764 01:16:53,069 --> 01:16:50,949 underwater silver bag as an every form 1765 01:16:54,540 --> 01:16:53,079 of shielding they've tried to use has 1766 01:16:57,209 --> 01:16:54,550 been these things have still 1767 01:16:59,069 --> 01:16:57,219 communicated with them and so they're 1768 01:17:01,709 --> 01:16:59,079 using a form of technology to do this 1769 01:17:03,569 --> 01:17:01,719 even the school people as we mentioned 1770 01:17:05,669 --> 01:17:03,579 they were actually told to design this 1771 01:17:09,209 --> 01:17:05,679 particular particular piece of equipment 1772 01:17:11,370 --> 01:17:09,219 to help with the communications so the 1773 01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:11,380 other side as aware that technology is 1774 01:17:15,779 --> 01:17:13,449 on our side they have their technology 1775 01:17:18,959 --> 01:17:15,789 and somehow the trademart in the two 1776 01:17:21,810 --> 01:17:18,969 together they create an interface so yes 1777 01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:21,820 that is definitely there I'm calling a 1778 01:17:25,199 --> 01:17:23,650 spiritual technology but that is only 1779 01:17:27,270 --> 01:17:25,209 for the light of the elves the proper 1780 01:17:29,310 --> 01:17:27,280 vocabulary I mean I don't know we know 1781 01:17:31,500 --> 01:17:29,320 how they do it it has to be some form of 1782 01:17:33,029 --> 01:17:31,510 Technology otherwise we couldn't make 1783 01:17:37,109 --> 01:17:33,039 any we couldn't make head or tail how 1784 01:17:40,620 --> 01:17:37,119 they do it did you notice when you did 1785 01:17:43,379 --> 01:17:40,630 go all those extra steps underwater you 1786 01:17:47,879 --> 01:17:43,389 know in a bag all all that did you 1787 01:17:50,939 --> 01:17:47,889 notice any diminished quality yes yes 1788 01:17:58,229 --> 01:17:50,949 Cordys ah so I do make it more difficult 1789 01:18:01,109 --> 01:17:58,239 for them well actually actually that 1790 01:18:04,199 --> 01:18:01,119 really points toward technology because 1791 01:18:06,989 --> 01:18:04,209 if it was just magic then it would just 1792 01:18:08,910 --> 01:18:06,999 be the same quality but if they're 1793 01:18:11,459 --> 01:18:08,920 actually having to use some sort of 1794 01:18:14,489 --> 01:18:11,469 technology I would imagine certain 1795 01:18:16,319 --> 01:18:14,499 things would affect that technology well 1796 01:18:17,910 --> 01:18:16,329 what you've just said is actually where 1797 01:18:19,770 --> 01:18:17,920 arthur c clarke once said that any 1798 01:18:21,299 --> 01:18:19,780 sufficiently advanced technology is 1799 01:18:23,939 --> 01:18:21,309 indistinguishable from magic 1800 01:18:25,919 --> 01:18:23,949 and so it's because i also think that 1801 01:18:26,969 --> 01:18:25,929 magic is another form of technology but 1802 01:18:31,919 --> 01:18:26,979 but that's another different 1803 01:18:34,709 --> 01:18:31,929 conversation altogether but yeah as far 1804 01:18:38,910 --> 01:18:34,719 as I'm concerned the quality of the 1805 01:18:40,410 --> 01:18:38,920 voice didn't change that the clarity 1806 01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:40,420 didn't change but the sound quality 1807 01:18:46,979 --> 01:18:44,050 changed almost as if it were it was it 1808 01:18:49,739 --> 01:18:46,989 was functioning differently there's the 1809 01:18:51,660 --> 01:18:49,749 best well it wasn't functioning poorly 1810 01:18:53,459 --> 01:18:51,670 it just functioned differently and the 1811 01:18:54,780 --> 01:18:53,469 quality of the sound changed but the 1812 01:18:56,520 --> 01:18:54,790 clarity didn't change and 1813 01:18:59,220 --> 01:18:56,530 that's important Thanks so they were 1814 01:19:02,880 --> 01:18:59,230 still able to transmit and synthesize 1815 01:19:05,250 --> 01:19:02,890 the voice enter that and enter that 1816 01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:05,260 Internet ricotta but we are also phone 1817 01:19:09,630 --> 01:19:07,090 that when you were dealing with 1818 01:19:12,090 --> 01:19:09,640 so-called poltergeist effects the sound 1819 01:19:12,450 --> 01:19:12,100 quality alters rapid radically then as 1820 01:19:14,940 --> 01:19:12,460 well 1821 01:19:17,790 --> 01:19:14,950 that voices that are held during 1822 01:19:19,830 --> 01:19:17,800 poltergeist manifestations and also 1823 01:19:22,110 --> 01:19:19,840 noises bumps and humps and bangs and 1824 01:19:24,030 --> 01:19:22,120 stuff they have a very strange sound 1825 01:19:27,900 --> 01:19:24,040 quality to them as well that they don't 1826 01:19:29,850 --> 01:19:27,910 I'll be the zones that you would hear FF 1827 01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:29,860 say for example you dropped a cup on the 1828 01:19:35,220 --> 01:19:31,930 floor and recorded it it would have a 1829 01:19:36,630 --> 01:19:35,230 set of a specific sound but if this sort 1830 01:19:38,730 --> 01:19:36,640 of thing happens and it's a poltergeist 1831 01:19:39,390 --> 01:19:38,740 effect the sound quality is somehow 1832 01:19:42,450 --> 01:19:39,400 different 1833 01:19:44,820 --> 01:19:42,460 it's it rises and falls it peaks and 1834 01:19:47,100 --> 01:19:44,830 falls differently somehow there's almost 1835 01:19:48,930 --> 01:19:47,110 as that as almost as if something very 1836 01:19:51,270 --> 01:19:48,940 strange that the other thing is that 1837 01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:51,280 poltergeist movement when something is 1838 01:19:57,350 --> 01:19:54,250 thrown from a poltergeist a poltergeist 1839 01:19:59,910 --> 01:19:57,360 action it's never seen raising up 1840 01:20:02,070 --> 01:19:59,920 traveling then falling has always seen 1841 01:20:05,460 --> 01:20:02,080 in motion and it's only when it's seen 1842 01:20:07,380 --> 01:20:05,470 their falls to the floor there seems to 1843 01:20:09,450 --> 01:20:07,390 be that somehow you're interacting with 1844 01:20:12,990 --> 01:20:09,460 it an egg can't offer it once it's been 1845 01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:13,000 washed it's the old story about them the 1846 01:20:16,650 --> 01:20:15,130 so-called wooden slit experiment we're 1847 01:20:17,790 --> 01:20:16,660 gonna connect we don't really have time 1848 01:20:20,460 --> 01:20:17,800 for this now because I'm wearing the 1849 01:20:24,180 --> 01:20:20,470 same but the twins flat expect that the 1850 01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:24,190 twin slit experiment seems to exactly 1851 01:20:28,470 --> 01:20:25,690 encapsulate what I'm talking about here 1852 01:20:30,030 --> 01:20:28,480 is that the photons behave differently 1853 01:20:33,300 --> 01:20:30,040 when they've been washed and when I'm 1854 01:20:35,340 --> 01:20:33,310 not and even the debunkers get people 1855 01:20:37,650 --> 01:20:35,350 that Brian Cox Professor Brian Cox are 1856 01:20:40,170 --> 01:20:37,660 very very very very intelligent man a 1857 01:20:42,450 --> 01:20:40,180 great communicator even he can explain 1858 01:20:44,460 --> 01:20:42,460 even he can't explain why the twins 1859 01:20:46,740 --> 01:20:44,470 Flint experiment does what it does that 1860 01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:46,750 why should looking at a particle change 1861 01:20:50,790 --> 01:20:48,970 what it does as almost as if the 1862 01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:50,800 particle as B is aware that you're 1863 01:20:55,470 --> 01:20:52,810 washing it so behaves differently and 1864 01:20:58,020 --> 01:20:55,480 the same thing happens that car when 1865 01:20:59,640 --> 01:20:58,030 poltergeist movement is observed that as 1866 01:21:01,640 --> 01:20:59,650 soon as you see that piece of that the 1867 01:21:03,900 --> 01:21:01,650 item whether as ever fault the floor and 1868 01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:03,910 always falls no strange arc 1869 01:21:08,670 --> 01:21:06,130 all very strange stuff but it all seems 1870 01:21:10,950 --> 01:21:08,680 to hint at some sort of interconnect 1871 01:21:12,390 --> 01:21:10,960 another thing that the technology seems 1872 01:21:14,580 --> 01:21:12,400 to be interconnected that we are 1873 01:21:17,370 --> 01:21:14,590 connected it and there's connected to us 1874 01:21:19,140 --> 01:21:17,380 as some incredibly subtle level and I 1875 01:21:21,930 --> 01:21:19,150 mean I don't ask me that a lot of guys 1876 01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:21,940 don't have one like I say all we can do 1877 01:21:26,910 --> 01:21:24,370 and all I do is I collect the facts I 1878 01:21:28,530 --> 01:21:26,920 write them up and I present to the 1879 01:21:30,930 --> 01:21:28,540 public and say what do you think and 1880 01:21:32,730 --> 01:21:30,940 perhaps and doing this we may find 1881 01:21:36,270 --> 01:21:32,740 someone to come up with an answer we can 1882 01:21:36,750 --> 01:21:36,280 only hope so oh absolutely I love that 1883 01:21:40,050 --> 01:21:36,760 idea 1884 01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:40,060 that's I think you know as much 1885 01:21:42,900 --> 01:21:41,530 information as we can get out there 1886 01:21:45,870 --> 01:21:42,910 you're right someone else may have 1887 01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:45,880 another piece of the puzzle they might 1888 01:21:50,460 --> 01:21:48,850 have that one bit that's going to make 1889 01:21:56,070 --> 01:21:50,470 everything fall into place you never 1890 01:21:57,930 --> 01:21:56,080 know but gosh I'm really excited to you 1891 01:22:00,930 --> 01:21:57,940 know hear about what goes on in the 1892 01:22:04,440 --> 01:22:00,940 future with this project and I will have 1893 01:22:06,630 --> 01:22:04,450 dawn and Steve on and you know maybe 1894 01:22:10,340 --> 01:22:06,640 even you could join them coming back 1895 01:22:13,980 --> 01:22:10,350 when you know when the book comes out 1896 01:22:19,710 --> 01:22:13,990 that would be fabulous well what I'll do 1897 01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:19,720 is a pity meal Oh coffee Steve and Onan 1898 01:22:23,820 --> 01:22:21,250 and it and you can you can talk to them 1899 01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:23,830 Oh fabulous 1900 01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:25,570 that would be great yeah we'll do that 1901 01:22:30,630 --> 01:22:28,090 soon and I'll make connection with them 1902 01:22:33,810 --> 01:22:30,640 very very soon and and we'll get right 1903 01:22:36,270 --> 01:22:33,820 on that I would love to do that so thank 1904 01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:36,280 you so much for joining us now if you 1905 01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:39,010 don't mind give out the music's rolling 1906 01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:40,570 so get back to your website one more 1907 01:22:47,190 --> 01:22:41,770 time so people can find all your 1908 01:22:51,090 --> 01:22:47,200 wonderful work okay my website is Ryan 1909 01:22:55,500 --> 01:22:51,100 WWE don't Brian Jay Allen - home dot C 1910 01:22:57,720 --> 01:22:55,510 dot uk' and the magazine and www it for 1911 01:22:59,670 --> 01:22:57,730 Norman a magazine don't go don't you K 1912 01:23:02,370 --> 01:22:59,680 the magazine's free that their Lord and 1913 01:23:05,220 --> 01:23:02,380 andaman and anyone's please please come 1914 01:23:07,350 --> 01:23:05,230 along help yourself oh wow thanks so 1915 01:23:08,850 --> 01:23:07,360 much Brian I really appreciate you 1916 01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:08,860 coming on and hope to have you back very 1917 01:23:11,670 --> 01:23:10,290 very soon